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Harassment consultation

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The Community Advocacy team the Wikimedia Foundation has opened a consultation on the topic of harassment on Meta. The consultation period is intended to run for one month from today, November 16, and end on December 17. Please share your thoughts there on harassment-related issues facing our communities and potential solutions. (Note: this consultation is not intended to evaluate specific cases of harassment, but rather to discuss the problem of harassment itself.)

• Harassment consultation 2015

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At Template:Uw-vandalism2

I think the picture should be orange, to match enwiki, and to make it easier to tell the difference without looking thru text, and also orange is a "teensy" bit less soft and a "teensy" bit more threatning, what do you think? Krett12 (talk) 17:54, 27 November 2015 (UTC)

@Krett12: I agree. --Rubbish computer (HALP!: I dropped the bass?) 21:58, 28 November 2015 (UTC)

The whole reason we switched to that colour was to make it less threatening. -DJSasso (talk) 13:20, 30 November 2015 (UTC)

It's not that much more threatning, and it should be a step up from level 1. Krett12 (talk) 16:08, 5 December 2015 (UTC)

Twinkle

Whenever I report someone for vandalism, Twinkle now places it in the "Bot-reported" section, despite the fact that I'm not a bot. Can anything be done about this? Thanks, J991 19:06, 29 November 2015 (UTC)

User:Chenzw recently switched the sections, apparently to accommodate Huggle. Maybe he will reply here. --Auntof6 (talk) 19:19, 29 November 2015 (UTC)

Fixed now. Thanks for reporting. --Glaisher (talk) 05:07, 30 November 2015 (UTC)

So sorry, dropped by rather late to see this. Just want to mention further that Huggle supposedly allows for a specific section to insert VIP/AIV reports (see "aiv-section"), but is not being implemented correctly (or even implemented at all, it seems). A while ago I looked through the Huggle source code and found no code in AIV reporting to specifically edit a page section. Chenzw  Talk  11:03, 30 November 2015 (UTC)

Twinkle note

Not too long ago, I was having trouble getting Twinkle (and Cat-A-Lot) to work here, and asked a lot of you questions. I wanted you to know I discovered the problem. I had an "old editor" js from enwiki loading from my global.js file in order to suppress VisualEditor. It turns out it also suppressed Twinkle and Cat-A-Lot. Once I removed that line from global.js, everything started working the way it was supposed to. I wanted to update whomever I asked, and to thank all for your help. StevenJ81 (talk) 17:35, 10 December 2015 (UTC)

List of Towns in Iowa

I am from O'Brien county Iowa. I was looking at Wikipedia list of towns in Iowa, I learned that Germantown is not listed. I know that it is a real city because I have been there before, and know for a fact that it is not a paper town, it has a sign saying 'Welcome to Germantown'. I would advise that it be added. --— This unsigned comment was added by 100.42.95.81 (talk • changes) at 00:54, 4 December 2015‎.

Thanks for your question. I looked at the English Wikipedia article, en:Germantown, Iowa. That article shows that Germantown is an unincorporated community, not a town or city. Because of that, we would not add it to a list of towns or cities. I don't see a list of towns in Iowa on this wiki, though: did you see that here or somewhere else? --Auntof6 (talk) 01:29, 4 December 2015 (UTC)

Illustrations

Looking at Stegodon, it struck me that a number of our pages do not have illustrations, even though there are ones available at Wikimedia and/or other Wikipedias. Especially in SEW, pictures are a valuable tool. How about it we set up a group or campaign to import good pictures? Kdammers (talk) 02:44, 5 December 2015 (UTC)

we should have lots of pictures, however we source all our images through Wikimedia Commons. This means that they meet all relevant copyright laws. Some other Wikipedias, notably English Wikipedia have other rules which means that often their images can not be used here. Whenever a suitable image can be found on Commons, use it. And you can always take your own too, upload to commons, and then use it here.--Peterdownunder (talk) 03:50, 5 December 2015 (UTC)

Added one to Stegodon to start the campaign rolling.--Peterdownunder (talk) 03:56, 5 December 2015 (UTC)

I support this wholeheartedly! For some reason, articles that are brought here from enwiki often have their images (as well as infoboxes) left off. We haven't had a big weekend in a while: this would be an excellent idea for one. Anyone want to coordinate that? --Auntof6 (talk) 05:59, 5 December 2015 (UTC)

So long as illustrations add something meaningful to the page. Macdonald-ross (talk) 11:22, 5 December 2015 (UTC)

The other extreme, too many for a small text, is less common but sometimes happens. Jim.henderson (talk) 18:41, 8 December 2015 (UTC)

I have to admit that I'm curious why we don't allow, in a narrowly construed rule, the upload of logos here. Use of logos under Fair Use, solely for the article on the organization itself, seems pretty well-established in copyright law. StevenJ81 (talk) 19:07, 8 December 2015 (UTC)

It's simpler if we just use images from Commons. Why give ourselves the additional maintenance task of maintaining images? If it could be uploaded here, it can be uploaded to Commons, no? --Auntof6 (talk) 20:14, 8 December 2015 (UTC)

Simpler, yes. But the answer to "If it could be uploaded here, it can be uploaded to Commons, no?" is "not so". Commons does not allow "fair use" images at all. For the most part, such images have to be uploaded to individual projects, if the projects allow them. StevenJ81 (talk) 20:20, 8 December 2015 (UTC)

DYK

Hi all,

I've taken the step of reverting the most recent update of the DYK on our homepage. I have major concerns about this aspect of our project moving forward.

Here are the hooks before my revert. Here are the issues:

1. Rockefeller's hook's source is dead.
2. The first of two hook sources for Katrina is dead. The second does not mention anything about 80% as far as I can see. We are being linked to a Flash file so I may have missed it while clicking through but it's not obvious as a fact to me in there.
3. The Wickenheiser statement does not have a source with it. I clicked one of the sources for a later part of the article which says "Hayley broke the gender barrier in 2003 when she signed a professional contract with Salamat in Finland where she went on to play parts of two seasons" but that does not confirm she's the first non-goaltender. Goaltenders are not mentioned in the source.
4. The Florida hook's source is dead. Additionally, the hook is a misinterpretation of the article. The article says "The highest hill in Florida is Britton Hill...It is 345 feet above sea level. It is the shortest of the highest points in all other states." The hook has severely misinterpreted it to mean the entire state sits at 345 feet above sea level.
5. The Ford article is well below the 800 character requirement for an article for DYK (it sits at <400). Even if it were long enough, the source for the hook is simply "Jones, p. 211." The book is no where listed as a source on the article. Presumably, someone named Jones wrote a book, but we don't know what this book is called or what Jones' full name is.

Because of these many issues, I've reverted the entire update. As I said above, I have questions about the continuing of DYK on our homepage. If only a couple of users are involved in the process, and these kind of major oversights are occurring, I don't see how we can let this continue. Only (talk) 20:26, 5 December 2015 (UTC)

I agree, because of what all you said and that citations are almost never given. Krett12 (talk) 15:55, 6 December 2015 (UTC)

There's something wrong with the move feature

I tried moving the page "Gun" to "Firearm" but accidentally put "Firearn". It won't let me correct the spelling! Krett12 (talk) 17:27, 6 December 2015 (UTC)

I don't think there's anything wrong. I deleted the "firearn" pages. Please leave the article at "gun". Gun is not slang, and we use that name because it's a simpler word. --Auntof6 (talk)

Oxford Reference Library

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New Twinkle feature

How about under the TW menu there is a link to open the article on ENWiki in a popup? Krett12 (talk) 01:36, 11 December 2015 (UTC)

That doesn't seem like it fits with Twinkle functions. The best way to open the corresponding enwiki article is to click on the interwiki link on the page. If you find an article that doesn't have the interwiki links shown, you can add it in Wikidata so that it will be there for next time. --Auntof6 (talk) 01:58, 11 December 2015 (UTC)

I like to make stuff easy, so I was hoping for some'n that would always be there. Krett12 (talk) 02:00, 11 December 2015 (UTC)

Not everything needs to be done with Twinkle. It is easy to just modify the URL and change "simple" to "en". Don't be lazy. Chenzw  Talk  02:04, 11 December 2015 (UTC)

What might be easy to use could be hard to maintain. There wouldn't be a good way to know if there even was a matching article unless it were already in Wikidata anyway. --Auntof6 (talk) 02:09, 11 December 2015 (UTC)

Just add importScript('User:Djsasso/enWPTab.js'); to your skins js file. -DJSasso (talk) 14:05, 15 December 2015 (UTC)

Admin

What are the requirements of becoming an admin --— This unsigned comment was added by Upaltez (talk • changes) at 13 December 2015‎.

Wikipedia:Criteria for adminship gives information about that. By the way, please sign your posts by putting four tildes (~~~~) at the end of the last line -- thanks! --Auntof6 (talk) 07:41, 13 December 2015 (UTC)

Template help needed: Template:1989–1997 Batman film series

The items in this template are showing up in a single column instead of being flowed across lines. Could someone see if this can be fixed? This template is currently unused, but if it is fixed I will add it to the various articles. I don't want to add it as it is, because it will make the articles unnecessarily long. Thanks. --Auntof6 (talk) 00:14, 14 December 2015 (UTC)

Auntof6, add away cheerily! I simply applied Occam's razor. ツ Fylbecatulous talk 03:02, 14 December 2015 (UTC)

I also just tested all three collapsible options in my sandbox and they work so I added that code to the template page. Fylbecatulous talk 03:16, 14 December 2015 (UTC)

Thanks! --Auntof6 (talk) 04:07, 14 December 2015 (UTC)

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@Fylbecatulous: I just noticed that some sections that are supposed to display across the top aren't showing up now. Any thoughts on how to fix that? --Auntof6 (talk) 05:09, 14 December 2015 (UTC)

Auntof6, you know, I had a sneaking suspicion this wasn't as easy as it seemed, because the one on English Wikipedia is created with columns and copy and pasted, it appears correctly there but not here. This is one reason I tested in my sandbox. But I paid no attention to the loss of the nice sections along the top. :(( I, being the obsessive person I am will probably tinker with this some more tonight, but I am have to get up in five hours for errands. lol ツ. I yield to tomorrow or maybe someone else will know more. Sorry, very. Fylbecatulous talk 05:28, 14 December 2015 (UTC)

Not a big deal! It's definitely better than it was. :) --Auntof6 (talk) 05:55, 14 December 2015 (UTC)

I'll try to have a look. But it is much better than it was, and I'm not really sure we need those section boxes on this wiki for now anyway. StevenJ81 (talk) 15:38, 14 December 2015 (UTC)

I just cannot get anything else to work. Perhaps that part of the template is just available on English Wikipedia. I notice the missing sections are not on the Georgian nor Vietnamese language templates either. Theirs just have the plain 'navbox' without the 'column' designator. I agree ours is entirely usable as is. Thanks ツ Fylbecatulous talk 12:11, 15 December 2015 (UTC)

RfD archival...

Hello,

Since the RfDs are archived by year, I propose that we make a rush and close all RfDs i such a way that on years end (UTC), there are no open RfDs. Else we face the problem that an RfD running form December 27 to January 2 will get a 2016 tag, even though most of it was in 2015. What do other people think? --Eptalon (talk) 21:58, 16 December 2015 (UTC)

I think it's a good idea. We also might consider a cutoff date for no new RfDs and notify everyone. User:Rus793 (talk) 22:05, 16 December 2015 (UTC)

Last start date for an RFD is December 25 (UTC); all RFDs close by end of December 30 (UTC)?--Eptalon (talk) 22:10, 16 December 2015 (UTC)

Could you bring this up at WP:AN where we have a similar thread? I think the consensus thete was that no special handling is needed. --Auntof6 (talk) 23:18, 16 December 2015 (UTC)