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Requested moves is a process for requesting the retitling (moving) of an article, template, or project page on Wikipedia. (For retitling files, categories and other items, see When not to use this page.) Please read our article titling policy and our guideline regarding primary topics before moving a page or requesting a page move.

Any autoconfirmed user can use the Move function to perform most moves (see Help:How to move a page). If you have no reason to expect a dispute concerning a move, be bold and move the page. However, it may not always be possible or desirable to do this:

  • Technical reasons may prevent a move, such as when a page may already exist at the target title and require deletion, or if the page to be moved is protected from moves. In these circumstances, administrator help is required to move a page. To request such help, please see § Requesting technical moves.
  • A title may be subject to dispute, and discussion may be necessary in order to reach consensus. To place a formal request for a potentially controversial page move, please see § Requesting potentially controversial moves. It is not always necessary to formally request a move in these circumstances: one option is to start an informal discussion at the article's talk page instead.
  • Unregistered users and new (not yet autoconfirmed) users do not have the capability to move pages. They must request moves using this process.

Most move requests are processed by a group of regular contributors who are familiar with Wikipedia naming conventions, non-binding precedents, and page moving procedures. Requests are generally processed after seven days, although backlogs often develop. If there is a clear consensus after this time, or if the requested move is uncontroversial or technical, the request will be closed and acted upon. If not, the closer may choose to re-list the request to allow more time for consensus to develop, or close it as "no consensus". For the processes involved in closing requests, performing moves, and cleaning up after moves, see Wikipedia:Requested moves/Closing instructions. For a list of all processed moves, see Special:Log/move.

To contest a close, the Move review process is designed to evaluate a contested close of a move discussion to determine if the close was reasonable, or whether it was inconsistent with the spirit and intent of Wikipedia common practice, policies, or guidelines.

When not to use this page[edit]

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Separate processes exist for moving certain types of pages, and for changes other than page moves:

Undiscussed moves[edit]

Anyone can be bold and move a page without discussing it first and gaining an explicit consensus on the talk page. In line with the bold, revert, discuss cycle, if you consider such a move to be controversial, and the new title has not been in place for a long time, you may revert the move. If you can not revert the move for technical reasons then you may request a technical move.

Move wars are disruptive, so if you make a bold move and it is reverted, do not make the move again. Instead, follow the procedures laid out in § Requesting potentially controversial moves.

Requesting technical moves[edit]

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The discussion process is used for potentially controversial moves. If any of the following apply to a desired move, treat it as potentially controversial:

  • There is an existing article (not just a redirect) at the target title;
  • There has been any past debate about the best title for the page;
  • Someone could reasonably disagree with the move.

If a desired move is uncontroversial and technical in nature (e.g. spelling), please feel free to move the page yourself. If the page has recently been moved without discussion, you may revert the move and initiate a discussion on its talk page. In either case, if you are unable to complete the move, request it below.

{{subst:RMassist|<!--old page name, without brackets-->|<!--requested name, without brackets-->|reason= <!--reason for move-->}}
This will automatically insert a bullet and include your signature. Do not edit the article's talk page.
  • If you object to a proposal listed in the uncontroversial technical requests section, please move it to the Contested technical requests section.
  • Alternatively, if the only obstacle to an uncontroversial move is another page in the way, you can ask for the deletion of the other page. This may apply, for example, if the other page is currently a redirect to the article to be moved, a redirect with no incoming links, or an unnecessary disambiguation page with a minor edit history. To request the other page be deleted, add the following code to the top of the page that is in the way:
{{db-move|<!--page to be moved here-->|<!--reason for move-->}}
This will list the undesired page for deletion under criterion for speedy deletion G6. If the page is a redirect, place the code above the redirection. For a list of articles being considered for uncontroversial speedy deletion, see Category:Candidates for uncontroversial speedy deletion.

Uncontroversial technical requests[edit]

Contested technical requests[edit]

Requests to revert undiscussed moves[edit]

Requesting potentially controversial moves[edit]

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Use this process if there is any reason to believe a move would be contested. For technical move requests (e.g. spelling and capitalization fixes), see Requesting technical moves.

Do not put more than one open move request on the same article talk page, as this is not supported by the bot that handles updates to this page. Multiple closed move requests may be on the same page, but each should have a unique section heading.

Requesting a single page move[edit]

(To propose moving more than one page—for example, moving a disambiguation page in order to move another page to that title—see "Requesting multiple page moves" below.)

To request a single page move, edit at the bottom of the talk page of the article you want moved, using this format:

{{subst:Requested move|NewName|reason=Place here your rationale for the proposed page name change, ideally referring to applicable naming convention policies and guidelines, and providing evidence in support where appropriate. If your reasoning includes search engine results, please present Google Books or Google News Archive results before providing other web results. Do not sign this.}}

Replace NewName with the requested new name of the page (or with a question mark, if you want more than one possible new name to be considered). Leave the Subject/headline blank, as the template automatically creates the heading "Requested move 08 January 2015". Do not sign a request with ~~~~ as the template does this automatically. The template must be substituted.

Use the code |talk=yes to add separate locations for survey and discussion.

Note: Unlike certain other request processes on Wikipedia, nominations should not be neutral. Strive to make your point as best you can; use evidence (such as Ngrams and pageview statistics) and make reference to applicable policies and guidelines, especially our article titling policy and the policy on disambiguation and primary topic. After the nomination has been made, nominators may nevertheless add a separate bullet point to support their nomination, but should add "as nominator" (for example,  * '''Rename, as nominator''': ...). Most nominators, however, simply allow the nomination itself to indicate what their opinion is. Nominators may also participate in the discussion along with everyone else, and often should.

Requesting multiple page moves[edit]

A single template may be used to request multiple related moves. On one of the talk pages of the affected articles, create a request and format it as below. A sample request for three page moves is shown here (for two page moves, omit the lines for current3 and new3). For four page moves, add lines for current4 and new4, and so on. There is no technical limit on the number of multiple move requests, but before requesting very large multi-moves, consider whether a naming convention should be changed first. Discuss that change on the talk page for the naming convention, e.g., Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (sportspeople).

{{subst:requested move
| new1 = New title for page 1 with the talk page hosting this discussion
| current2 = Current title of page 2
| new2 = New title for page 2
| current3 = Current title of page 3
| new3 = New title for page 3
| reason = Place here your rationale for the proposed page name change, ideally referring to applicable naming convention policies and guidelines, and providing evidence in support where appropriate. If your reasoning includes search engine results, please default to Google Books or Google News Archive before providing any web results. Do not sign this.}}

For example, to propose moving the articles Wikipedia and Wiki, put this template on Talk:Wikipedia, and replace current2 with Wiki. The discussion for all affected articles is held on the talk page of the article at page 1 (Talk:Wikipedia). Do not sign a request with ~~~~ as the template does this automatically. Do not skip pairs of numbers.

RMCD bot automatically places a notice section on the talk page of the additional pages that are included in your request, advising that the move discussion is in progress, where it is, and that all discussion for all pages included in the request should take place at that one location.

Relisting[edit]

See also: Wikipedia:Requested moves/Closing instructions § Relisting

Relisting a discussion moves the request out of the backlog up to the current day in order to encourage further input. The decision to relist a discussion is best left to uninvolved experienced editors upon considering, but declining, to close the discussion. Preferably, a reason for the relist will be given. When a relisted discussion reaches a resolution, it may be closed at any time according to the closing instructions.

To relist a move request discussion, simply type <small>'''Relisted'''. ~~~~</small> before the initial requester's first timestamp (see this diff for an example). This can also be done by using {{subst:Relisting}}, which signs the relisting automatically. The RMCD bot uses the new timestamp to relist the entry on this page.

If discussion has become stale, or it seems that discussion would benefit from more input of editors versed in the subject area, consider more widely publicizing the discussion. One option is to notify relevant WikiProjects of the discussion using the template {{RM notification}}. Applicable WikiProjects can often be determined by means of the banners placed at the top of the talk page hosting the move request.

Current discussions[edit]

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This section lists all requests filed or identified as potentially controversial which are currently under discussion.

This list is also available in a page-link-first format.

January 8, 2015[edit]

January 7, 2015[edit]

  • (Discuss) – Mission burrito → Mission-style burrito – Google results etc. are misleading, because the phrases "Mission Burrito" and "Mission-style burrito" refer to two different things, the former being a restaurant chain and the latter being the subject of this article. Foogus (talk) 17:31, 7 January 2015 (UTC)
  • (Discuss) – Real-time polymerase chain reaction → Quantitative PCR – This discussion has happened once before, but I really think it's worth having again. Colloquially, in the field, no one refers to it as Real-Time PCR. See here and here. Plus, under Wikipedia's article title conventions, the name should describe current usage. Also in those guidelines is a small bit about using titles to help distinguish similar concepts. RT-PCR in the field means Reverse transcriptase-PCR. Real-Time PCR is NEVER used in journals or in conversation as a result. It's all qPCR. It's all Quantitative PCR. Plus this article is entirely ABOUT qPCR. New students learning about these concepts are only confused by the current title. Shibbolethink (talk) 16:15, 7 January 2015 (UTC)
  • (Discuss) – Golfer → Golfer (disambiguation) – This is really a WP:TWODABS page with a subtopic thrown in. A "golfer" is a person who plays golf. A professional golfer is still a person who plays golf, and the distinctions between an amateur and professional golfer are described in the article, golf. The only other meaning listed on the page, a TV episode for which we have no article, is comparatively obscure. We redirect skier to skiing, basketball player to basketball and tennis player to tennis, even though each of these sports has varying degrees of amateur and professional participation. There is no reason to treat golf any differently. Move this page and redirect golfer to golf, consistently with other sports player titles. bd2412 T 14:35, 7 January 2015 (UTC)

January 6, 2015[edit]

  • (Discuss) – Nishonoseki stable → Nishonoseki stable (1935) – The article's current title is ambiguous, as there are two stables of sumo wrestlers with this name - the original, now defunct stable founded in 1935, and a separate stable, previously known as Matsugane stable, that was renamed Nishonoseki stable in 2014. The move was previously carried out by User:FourTildes but was reverted by User:BD2412 who described it as controversial and that there was "no evidence that the original topic is not primary for the term." It should not be controversial; we need only look at a similar case, Tagonoura stable, where the original, defunct stable is at Tagonoura stable (2000), the renamed stable is at Tagonoura stable (2013) and Tagonoura stable is now a dab page. I believe we should do the same thing in this case. It is likely that the active stable, which is the home of the top divison wrestler Shōhōzan Yūya, will be most searched for now and in the future, not the defunct one. Although it was a prestigious stable many decades ago, the original Nishonoseki was in decline for a long time, and now that it is defunct should certainly not be regarded as the primary topic. Pawnkingthree (talk) 20:20, 6 January 2015 (UTC)
  • (Discuss) – Gender bias on Wikipedia → Gender imbalance on Wikipedia – Bias is a judgemental description title, violating the non-judgemental description policy. Imbalance is a neutral word that similarly conveys the difference in numbers, and so should be the title of the page. I disagree with other editors that this article is about a systemic bias, as only source 2 and source 11 mention it out of the 27 sources on the page. The rest of the article is about the difference in numbers, and I think that should be reflected in the title. Resip27 (talk) 17:04, 6 January 2015 (UTC)
  • (Discuss) – Slavic speakers of Greek Macedonia → Speakers of Slavic languages in Greek Macedonia – The current name is hopelessly ambiguous and confusing. Its construction implies "[Population] speakers of [language]" but the meaning is the exact opposite. This is especially bad in this case because "Slavic" is an ethnicity as well as a language group, so many readers will misapprehend what "Slavic" refers to here. "Of" should be "in" here; we are not addressing languages intrinsic to Greek Macedonia, but speakers of these language who happen to be (or had been) living there. The current title also implies Slavic is a specific language, which it's not. So, it fails on three distinct levels.  — SMcCandlish ☺ ☏ ¢ ≽ʌⱷ҅ᴥⱷʌ≼  14:34, 6 January 2015 (UTC)
  • (Discuss) – Lycaon pictus → African wild dog – Please place your rationale for the proposed move here. African wild dog almost exclusively refer to Lycaon pictus, not feral domesticated grey wolves in the first page of Google search, and gets about 10,100,000 results (0.22 seconds),[1] while Lycaon pictus gets much lower at about 189,000 results (0.23 seconds),[2] and almost all Google images would be Lycaon pictus if searched African wild dog.[3] Editor abcdef (talk) 08:07, 6 January 2015 (UTC)
  • (Discuss) – Valmiki → Maharshi Valmiki – because this article is about a saint whose common name is Maharshi Valmiki,i can give you 1000 ref links you can verify.>,as well as Mahatma Gandhi,The real name of Mahatma Gandhi is Mohan Das Karamchand Gandhi but his common name is Mahatma Gandhi even then Mahatma is also a honorific.the meaning of mahatma is 'Great Soul.Such like Mahatma Gandhi,The real name of this saint and poet is Valmiki,But his common name is Maharshi Valmiki. [1] [2] [3] [4] [5] [6] Volt60x (talk) 07:42, 6 January 2015 (UTC)

January 5, 2015[edit]

  • (Discuss) – Vitina → Viti (Kosovo) – Per WP:COMMONNAME and the town's website linked from the infobox. The locals speak Albanian, and the proposed name also works in Turkish. The bracketed (Kosovo) is because there are other uses for Viti. Two previous moves have been made to this name, one in brackets, one with a comma. Legacypac (talk) 21:46, 5 January 2015 (UTC)
  • (Discuss) – Nexon → Nexon Co., Ltd. – The officially company name according to all press, filings and the Tokyo Stock Exchange is Nexon Co., Ltd. The previous request got lost on the CAPS, no CAPS are being requested now.--OnceaMetro (talk) 21:44, 5 January 2015 (UTC)
  • (Discuss) – Dishwashing liquid → Dishwashing detergent – "Liquid" is not the best name because there are non-liquid dishwashing substances, and this article should cover them. "Dishwashing soap" may be an option, but it seems that the industry producing these products calls them "detergents" A change to either "soap" or "detergent" would be an improvement but I am not sure which is best. Blue Rasberry (talk) 19:57, 5 January 2015 (UTC)
  • (Discuss) – Undine → Undine (disambiguation) – All items on the Undine disambiguation page refer to undines and are hence derivative of the supernatural creature, which is the primary source of the name. Also, "alchemy" is a really really odd/reductionistic bracketed qualifier. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 03:33, 5 January 2015 (UTC)
  • (Discuss) – Undine (alchemy) → Undine – All items on the Undine disambiguation page refer to undines and are hence derivative of the supernatural creature, which is the primary source of the name. Also, "alchemy" is a really really odd/reductionistic bracketed qualifier. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 03:33, 5 January 2015 (UTC)

January 4, 2015[edit]

  • (Discuss) – Baron Münchhausen → Baron Munchausen – This article is about two people: a fictional character called Baron Munchausen, and a real-life nobleman named Hieronymus Karl Friedrich, Freiherr von Münchhausen. I think it's appropriate to handle both figures on one page (take a look at the Fictionalization and Fictional character sections to see how the two are connected/different), but it inevitably raises the question of what to call the article. It's beyond reasonable doubt that the fictional Baron is notable by Wikipedia standards: plenty of significant coverage in subject-independent reliable sources. The real Baron is probably notable as well, but he's predominantly known for being the inspiration for his fictional counterpart. And, of the two, the fictional one has pretty clearly gotten more attention: Special:WhatLinksHere/Baron_Münchhausen suggests that most references in the English Wikipedia are specifically to the fictional Baron. Given those circumstances, to name the article after the real Baron would make it something resembling a WP:Coatrack: the article would seem to be about a real person, but most of the focus would inevitably fall on his more famous fictional counterpart. So, in accordance with the WP:UCRN policy, and following the precedent set by most paper encyclopedias (including the 1911 Encyclopædia Britannica and the Columbia Encyclopedia), I strongly recommend that we name this page after the fictional character, using the standard and recognizable English-language spelling: Baron Munchausen. The historical figure's name can still be a redirect, of course (and will be very useful as such, since his biography will remain on the page). Lemuellio (talk) 22:12, 4 January 2015 (UTC)
  • (Discuss) – Szechwan cuisine → Sichuan cuisine – Despite all the previous requests above to move to "Sichuan cuisine", somebody went ahead and moved it to "Szechwan cuisine" instead (i.e., to the least common of the three spellings being debated)! Instead of moving it back to "Szechuan cuisine," I'll try to get consensus for "Sichuan cuisine." My reasoning: 1) "Sichuan cuisine" was already several times more popular in the Google Books corpus than the other two forms combined as of 2008 (the last year for which data is available). If the trend has continued (and it almost certainly has), it is vastly more popular today in 2015. Similar trends exist for "Sichuan food" and "Sichuan cooking", although I'll note that there are more results in the corpus for cuisine than for food or cooking -- and that's the variant that shows the most dramatic change in favor of "Sichuan" as well. 2) The search result comparisons given by User:AjaxSmack to justify opposing the previous move request are bogus. If you read here, you'll notice that the method AjaxSmack used will cause Google to limit results to just the top 1000, then deduplicate them. All this tells us is how many non-duplicate results are in the top 1000. NOT how many non-duplicate results there are in total. If the search terms being compared each return more than 1000 hits, AjaxSmack's method will tell you nothing at all. Try using it for "barack obama" to see what I mean. 337 results! I guess we'd better rename Barack Obama to Szechwan cuisine then! There is absolutely no way that Google has only indexed ~400 non-duplicate pages for each of those search terms. At any rate, I know of no convenient (as in, a random Wikipedian could do it) way to get truly accurate counts from Google Search. This is a tricky problem that linguists struggle with daily when measuring usage. 3) This article is about Sichuan cuisine, as in the cuisine of Sichuan. It is not about American/UK restaurants that happen to have the word in their name or in their menus, which in most cases have nothing even remotely resembling actual Sichuan cuisine. They're a red herring and have little to do with the topic of the article. I place a lot of weight on the Google Books data above. In fact, it's probably the only easily available, statistically meaningful data we have at all. Anyway, Sichuan cuisine has seemingly been the more common name for years. And it's only going to get more common as time goes on. Please don't respond with your subjective anecdotes about restaurants in your area. Give me data to back up your argument. At this point, people who think Szechuan is the more common name sound a lot like people who still use "6 billion" as their mental figure for the population of the world. Difference engine (talk) 20:31, 4 January 2015 (UTC)
  • (Discuss) – Evan Jenkins (politician) → Evan Jenkins – This (the US Congressman) is the page of the most commonly sought "Evan Jenkins", as evidenced by a vast margin in page views. 94.6% of the searches of Evan Jenkins in the past 90 days have been for this one. In addition, he is a current US Congressman; he therefore also has long-term notability. This Evan Jenkins had 8,327 hits in the last 90 days. Thirty-seven times as many as the footballer with 224 -- who last played 80 years ago, and died a quarter of a century ago. And 32 times as many as the governor, born in the 1800s, who had 253 views. He has been the primary focus of searchers for the better part of at least two years. The other two are also long-deceased, they are unlikely therefore, unlike the living Congressman, to be creating any new news in the future. Epeefleche (talk) 19:57, 4 January 2015 (UTC)
  • (Discuss) – Metal Gear: Ghost Babel → Metal Gear Solid (Game Boy Color) – Restore original title from undiscussed move & rewrite. (The NA or European box art should also be restored, rather than the JP box art.) WP:NCVG is clear: use the "official title in the initial English release", not the Japanese release, barring a good reason. This game is "Metal Gear Solid" in North America & Europe, and the fact a parenthetical disambiguator is needed isn't cause to use the Japanese name instead. SnowFire (talk) 18:27, 4 January 2015 (UTC)
  • (Discuss) – Transport engineering → Transportation engineering – Name of this article should be Transportation engineering & all the references given in article points towards it. Also this field of civil engineering is recognized as Transportation engineering in all of the Engineering & Technical institutions. Many books related to this topic are also name as Transportation engineering.[7][8] Prymshbmg (talk) 18:27, 4 January 2015 (UTC)
  • (Discuss) – Carn Brea, St Just → Chapel Carn Brea – The correct name for this hill is Chapel Carn Brea. This article was redirected on 4 September 2013 by User:Bermicourt from Chapel Carn Brea to → Carn Brea, St Just, possibly because the Ordnance Survey refer to it as Carn Brea. It is not unusual for the Ordnance Survey to get Cornish place names wrong, usually by mis-spelling or anglicizing. I've always known the place as Chapel Carn Brea. User:Jowaninpensans 12:21, 4 January 2015 (UTC)
  • (Discuss) – IPhone 6 → iPhone 6 and 6 Plus – The iPhone 6 and 6 Plus jointly serve as successors to the iPhone 5C and iPhone 5S. The page title "iPhone 6" looks like there is only one model of iPhone 6, when there are two; the iPhone 6 and iPhone 6 Plus Peppypoach (talk) 06:22, 4 January 2015 (UTC)

January 3, 2015[edit]

January 2, 2015[edit]

  • (Discuss) – Pagasa (Island) → Thitu Island – Please revert the move and return this page to its original page name. (i.e. Thitu Island.) This is English Wikipedia, and the International / English name of the island is Thitu Island. The fact that the island is currently controlled by the Philippines is not relevant to the name of the page on English Wikipedia – there are over 250 other maritime features in the Spratly Islands (See List of maritime features in the Spratly Islands), and at least 50 of them have pages on English Wikipedia. (See Category:Spratly Islands.) All of the occupied or controlled features are occupied or controlled by one of PRC, ROC, Vietnam, Malaysia or the Philippenes. None of these countries use English as their primary language. However, none of the names of the pages on English wikipedia (except this one) use the PRC/ROC/Vietnam/Malaysia/Philippines name of the feature – all of the pages (except this one, and the pages of features that do not have an English / International name) have a page name which is their English / International name. Please revert this page name back to Thitu Island. Pdfpdf (talk) 19:47, 2 January 2015 (UTC)
  • (Discuss) – Order of the Phoenix (fiction) → Order of the Phoenix (Harry Potter) – I think the proposed title, which already redirects here, is a better descriptor of the subject. We commonly have the name of fictional franchises as disambiguators (e.g., Toad (Mario)), and Order of the Phoenix (fiction) might be thought to be about a work of fiction by that name. Now really, either the (fiction) or (Harry Potter) title could logically refer to the Harry Potter book and its derivatives, but there's at least one other fictional use of this name, as shown on the disambiguation page. Either way, the article needs a hatnote. --BDD (talk) 01:41, 2 January 2015 (UTC)

January 1, 2015[edit]

  • (Discuss) – Death of Leelah Alcorn → Leelah Alcorn – Above a few users recently moved the page, ignoring suggestions from many users of the recent AfD discussion to either wait a few month or to not rename the page. There are several reasons why a page naming which focuses on death or suicide does not represent the context adequately. 1.) Legislation has been suggested to ban conversion therapy, in her name, called "Leelah's Law" - 2.) The attention she got evolves around her coming out and the reactions she recevied ( or didn't) from her family. 3.) We do not name pages from other people i.e. The suicide of Robin William - even when the Alcorn page is not considered a biography, it is disrespectful to reduce the circumstances and the mention (albeit different coverage) here on Wikipedia to her suicide/death. And to quote one argument from the AfD discussion, from user —Willscrlt ( Talk | com | b:en | meta ): I am against renaming due to Wikipedia:Articles on suicides, and I think that is the wrong focus anyway. The "human interest" focus of the news articles on Alcorn was all the stuff going on in her life leading up to the suicide and the impact of her life and death. To focus solely on the suicide (which the changed article title would imply) would give short shrift to the full story. --- Thus, i ask to rename this page back to just her name. prokaryotes (talk) 21:44, 1 January 2015 (UTC)
  • (Discuss) – Großer Tiergarten → Tiergarten – Tiergarten is the most frequently used name for this park in English and is the primary meaning for Tiergarten in English. PBS (talk) 16:53, 1 January 2015 (UTC)
  • (Discuss) – Tomska → Thomas Ridgewell – It would be more appropriate for an encyclopedia to use his birth name instead of his YouTube username. TomSka can be redirected to Thomas Ridgewell. Also, it would suit the format of other YouTube video makers associated with him such as Charlie McDonnell (charlieissocoollike) and Liam Dryden (littleradge). Nexus000 (talk) 12:15, 1 January 2015 (UTC)

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  • (Discuss) – Tokugawa shogunate → Tokugawa Shogunate – The previous move request reached no consensus and he who opposed said that the "Shogunate" was a "dynasty" and the S should be lower-cased because we have the dynasty pages lower-cased. This is wrong. A shogunate is not a dynasty it was a branch of the Japanese military (although it did basically control Japan). So this comparison does not hold. I'll be the first to say that our naming standards on Wikipedia are not the best they can be. Although it is irrelevant, I for one oppose using the lower-case d in our Dynasty articles. Back on topic, when the term shogunate is used as a general term it is spelled with a lower-case s. When referring to a specific [shogunate], this case that of the Tokugawa, it is spelled with a capital S According to English grammar rules on Chompchomp.com (don't ask haha): A proper noun has two distinctive features: 1) it will name a specific [usually a one-of-a-kind] item, and 2) it will begin with a capital letter no matter where it occurs in a sentence. The Merriam-Webster dictionary defines proper noun as: a word or group of words (such as “Noah Webster,” “Kentucky,” or “U.S. Congress”) that is the name of a particular person, place, or thing and that usually begins with a capital letter and a noun that designates a particular being or thing, does not take a limiting modifier, and is usually capitalized in English —called also proper name. This is the same reason specific high schools are named "Blahblahblah High School" instead of "Blahblahblah high school" Eric - Contact me please. I prefer conversations started on my talk page if the subject is changed 23:03, 31 December 2014 (UTC) Eric - Contact me please. I prefer conversations started on my talk page if the subject is changed 23:03, 31 December 2014 (UTC)
  • (Discuss) – Five solae → Three solae – The article text (other than the recently edited opening sentence) is written first as a description of the original three solas, with the other (2 or 4) solas described as additions. The bulk of references that refer to any number, refer to three, not five. Overall, the title most appropriate to the current text, should mention "three", not "five". The only sensible alternative to a rename is to rewrite the article (including removing a large proportion of the citations) to suit the current title. Google Ngram gives no hits for "five solas", but gives several for "three solas", dating back to 1865. Thomask0 (talk) 20:42, 31 December 2014 (UTC)
  • (Discuss) – Main-group element → Main group – By analogy with carbon group and boron group, other groups of elements with descriptive names. Google search results for "main group" primarily contain references to the chemistry concept, but not always in the context of the phrase "main group element": "main group chemistry" and "main group compounds" are also typical uses of the phrase. Thus the more concise title is preferable. Also satisfies WP:PRIMARYTOPIC – this is the most common use of the phrase, and I cannot find any other uses with potential long-term significance. Cobblet (talk) 10:17, 31 December 2014 (UTC)
  • (Discuss) – Template:Multiple issues → Template:Multiple problems –
    *WP:EUPHEMISM: 'Some words that are proper in many contexts also have euphemistic senses that should be avoided: do not use issue for problem or dispute.' *WP:COMMONALITY: 'Universally used terms are often preferable to less widely distributed terms, especially in article titles.' This template refers specifically to 'problems'. The word 'issues', on the other hand, very often refers to matters that are not 'problems' at all. Using 'issues' as a euphemism for 'problems' is a relatively recent phenomenon, especially in the United States, and has the potential to cause confusion or annoyance, particularly for foreign readers (see here, for example). Whilst the word 'issue' sometimes works for some people, we should use the term that is clear and unambiguous to all. 86.170.130.156 (talk) 03:12, 31 December 2014 (UTC)
  • (Discuss) – Second Armistice at Compiègne → Armistice of 22 June 1940 – I am proposing this because the current title is basically a Wikipedian neologism. The proposed title is relatively common in the literature (and in French), but it has a drawback. The armistice did not come into effect until shortly after midnight on 25 June. Another alternative would be Franco-German armistice (1940), or without parentheses ("of 1940"). There was an earlier Franco-German armistice in 1871. Relisted -- Calidum 23:41, 30 December 2014 (UTC) --Relisted. Dekimasuよ! 17:23, 10 December 2014 (UTC) Srnec (talk) 03:12, 3 December 2014 (UTC)
  • (Discuss) – Adam Birch → Joey Mercury – As noted in previous discussions, Birch's performances as "Joey Mercury" in the mid-2000s had considerably higher exposure than his 2000-2001 appearances as "Joey Matthews" with ECW. He is now once again performing regularly on WWE television as "Joey Mercury", increasing his exposure under this name. A Google News Archive search returns 93 hits for "Joey Matthews" wrestling and 626 hits for "Joey Mercury" wrestling. --Relisted. George Ho (talk) 20:14, 30 December 2014 (UTC) McPhail (talk) 20:23, 21 December 2014 (UTC)
  • (Discuss) – Thriller (Michael Jackson album) → Thriller (album) – Makes absolutely no sense for "Thriller (album)" to redirect here, indicating that Michael Jackson's album is the primary topic for albums named Thriller (which it is, seeing as it's the best-selling album in history and all), only for the actual article title to be disambiguated further. WP:PDAB was a guideline when the move to "(Michael Jackson album)" was made; it has since been downgraded to an essay due to lack of consensus. All of the previous RMs took place last year, and seeing as it's been over a year since the last one, I think now is a good time to reevaluate. –Chase (talk / contribs) 19:28, 30 December 2014 (UTC)
  • (Discuss) – Stephen Ponsonby Peacocke → Ponsonby Peacocke – I have just merged the stub Ponsonby Peacocke with this well-developed article. He was, however, known as Ponsonby Peacocke as mentioned in the article. Two standard New Zealand sources, Wilson (1985) and Jackson (1972), do not even record his first name in their listings, although they generally list people by their full names. Schwede66 18:46, 30 December 2014 (UTC)
  • (Discuss) – Applecrab → Apple breeding programs – I think that people don't recognize the subject of this article by the its current name. If we rename it to the suggested name it will draw a lot of attention since the subject will be clear, and will include the importance in commercially cultivated apple that reaches everyone's table. I further suggest to include here Surprise (apple) which is only used in breeding programs. Riversid (talk) 16:32, 29 December 2014 (UTC)
  • (Discuss) – Next Qatari general election → Cancelled Qatari general election, 2013 – the article content is about the cancelled election, and the article name implies there will be a "next" election, the article content is about the cancelled election only, there is no plans and sources of doing this so called "next" elections and its not certain if ever due to the fact that the elections was indefinitely postponed. Dannis243 (talk) 16:32, 29 December 2014 (UTC)
  • (Discuss) – Stellar classification → Spectral type – Stellar classification itself is a very broad topic that also includes classification such as variable star classification, binary star classification, and many other types of classification. This article only focuses (as it should, we have other articles for the others) on the Morgan–Keenan classification by temperature and luminosity (spectrum), and thus the title "stellar classification" is inappropriate, and should be made into a disambiguation page. StringTheory11 (t • c) 18:39, 28 December 2014 (UTC)
  • (Discuss) – Vilnia River → Vilnia – 1. The usual river naming convention in Europe, including Lithuania, is "Foo" - see Category:Rivers of Lithuania; this is an odd man out. 3. Vilnia already redirects here so we are only moving the article over a redirect, but this one needs admin intervention. The above vote was 9 years ago by a - now banned - editor. Bermicourt (talk) 15:15, 28 December 2014 (UTC)
  • (Discuss) – Kura River → Kura – 1. The normal convention for European rivers is "Foo". 2. "Kura" appears to be several times more common than "Kura River" on google books. 3. "Foo River" implies "River" is part of the proper name which IMHO it isn't and 4. looking at the disambiguation page for Kura this is a huge river that appears to be the primary topic amongst those just named "Kura". For all these reasons and for simplicity I suggest we move this to "Kura" and move "Kura" to "Kura (disambiguation)". Bermicourt (talk) 14:11, 28 December 2014 (UTC)
  • (Discuss) – Karkar River → Karkar – 1. The normal convention for European rivers is "Foo". 2. "Karkar" is 10 times more common than "Karkar River" on google books. 3. "Foo River" implies "River" is part of the proper name and 4. Karkar is currently just a redirect to this page. For all these reasons and for simplicity this should be moved to "Karkar" Bermicourt (talk) 12:05, 28 December 2014 (UTC)
  • (Discuss) – Hakari (river) → Hakari – To remove unnecessary disambiguator "(river)". Currently Hakari is just a redirect to a disambiguation page. This could be covered by a simple hatnote on this article. Bermicourt (talk) 11:19, 28 December 2014 (UTC)
  • (Discuss) – Anti-abortion movements → Pro-life movement – This is the far more common name and the one chosen by members themselves. The article mentions AP style for "abortion rights" and "anti-abortion" movements but the other article we have named here at pro-choice. Several related articles and categories use "pro-life" in the name here on en.wp: in fact, this is the only one that doesn't. It really makes no sense. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 20:02, 27 December 2014 (UTC)
  • (Discuss) – Devonport, Devon → Devonport, Plymouth – Per WP:UKPLACE - "For the minority of localities ... when unambiguously in a town/city unitary authority and the settlement itself (according to reliable, external sources) [[placename, town/city]] is used.". In contrast to using Plymouth, "Devonport, Devon" seems both unhelpful (it ignores the Plymouth connection) and awkward (the repetition). That said, I'm not convinced that using Plymouth is right either. It now is a district of Plymouth, but its earlier history as a distinct entity was emphatically distinct from of Plymouth. Nilfanion (talk) 12:44, 26 December 2014 (UTC)
  • (Discuss) – Lap-chee Tsui → Lap-Chee Tsui – Tsui is Canadian, so we should not follow Chinese name order. And he spell his name as "Lap-Chee Tsui". The "C" should be capital. Huang (talk) 11:03, 25 December 2014 (UTC)
  • (Discuss) – Mario Zanin (bishop) → Mario Zanin – His name in his own language: the French form "Marius" seems to have been used of him only when he was Apostolic Delegate in China, at a time when the diplomatic language was French – Esoglou (talk) 18:05, 23 December 2014 (UTC)
  • (Discuss) – Andrew Jacobs → Andrew Jacobs (lawyer) – It is not the case that one of these topics is the primary topic. For that reason this AJ was moved to AJ (lawyer). As you can see, interest in this particular AJ is quite limited, a few 2-22 searches per day in the limited time he had his own page that was not a default AJ page. AJ (Journalist) is searched for more (averaging about 15 per day, and up to over 100, as is AJ, Jr who is searched for about 15 times per day, up to over 60, and Andy Jacobs seems to be searched for the most, by a small margin. This lawyer does not appear primary in terms of usage, or to be highly likely—much more likely than any other topic, and more likely than all the other topics combined—to be the topic sought when a reader searches for that term. Many more searches were made during that time span to other AJs, and certainly all as a group. Nor does his significance outstrip those of others with respect to long-term significance, or have substantially greater enduring notability and educational value than any other topic associated with that term. Despite that, when the suggested change was made it was moved back by another editor, with the request that to make the move the matter be brought here. I would have thought it uncontroversial, and that we could have spared this heavily laden page this discussion, but there you have it. Epeefleche (talk) 04:43, 23 December 2014 (UTC)
  • (Discuss) – Nara, Nara → Nara – As the various comments above attest, this title is a reducio ad adsurdum of a poorly thought out guideline. If you think that anyone in the real world calls this city "Nara, Nara", check out the first page of hits on Google Books: [35] Not one is a bona fide double named English-language reference to the city. The WP:MOS-JA creates an exception for designated cities. Nara's population is not quite large enough to be a designated city. But as a major tourist destination, it is better known than most of the designated cities. Cf. WP:UKPLACE, which recommends "Lincoln, England, not Lincoln, Lincolnshire." NotUnusual (talk) 03:15, 23 December 2014 (UTC)
  • (Discuss) – Richard Yates, Jr. → ? – "Jr." in name appears to be contrived/not in historical use; removed in 2011, but moved back with no explanation other than "better title", so treating as controversial Closeapple (talk) 19:11, 22 December 2014 (UTC)
  • (Discuss) – Russians in Canada → ? – Russians in Canada" implies that these are Russian citizens living in Canada, which in many instances is simply not the case. Many have never lived in Russia nor hold Russian citizenship, it also implies that these are in some way "foreigners" in Canada, as they are not classified as Canadians. Instead, these are more appropriately referred to Canadians of Russian descent (or Russian Canadians) per WP: PRECISION. I eat BC Fish (talk)18:44, 21 December 2014 (UTC)
  • (Discuss) – Charlotte (disambiguation) → Charlotte – Charlotte currently redirects to Charlotte, North Carolina. There has been a bit of a discussion in 2008 and 2013 at Talk:Charlotte. I agree with Infovarius, that the city is hardly known to most non Americans and the given name would be the most likely subject which these users would expect to find. As virtually all American cities already have the format City, State it seems logical to turn Charlotte into a disambiguation page. Inwind (talk) 17:24, 20 December 2014 (UTC)
  • (Discuss) – Horn (instrument) → French horn – The French horn is not the only musical instrument called the horn, therefore the disambiguator "(instrument)" does not adequately disambiguate. In many circles, the English horn or alto horn is the musical instrument that is simply called "the horn". Orchestras and concert bands call the French horn simply "the horn", but British brass bands use the word "horn" by itself to refer exclusively to the alto horn, as do Salvation Army brass bands around the world (the baritone horn is simply referred to as the "baritone"). The International Horn Society is biased towards giving the French horn precedence and exclusively calling this instrument "the horn" because their society is devoted to this instrument. "French horn" is the title that most of our users are going to expect for this article. We would support inclusivity and user expectations by moving this article to "French horn" and by redirecting the title "Horn (instrument)" to the Horn disambiguation page. Neelix (talk) 02:15, 20 December 2014 (UTC)
  • (Discuss) – Kid vs. Kat → Kid vs Kat – As can be seen in the logo, "versus" is abbreviated as "vs" not "vs." there is no dot after the lowercase S. Ranze (talk) 00:44, 20 December 2014 (UTC)
  • (Discuss) – Ford Classic → Ford Consul Classic – The Ford Classic nameplate is ambiguous; right now, an Indian saloon version of the Fiesta is sold under this nameplate (which is currently mentioned in this article, but is a totally unrelated car and thus would not be a disaster to remove any text about). This car is also actually known as the Consul Classic, with "Classic" simply being shorthand. This can be shown best by looking at the owner's club, where they describe the cars as "Ford Consul Classic & Consul Capri", whilst their name is "Ford Classic & Capri Owners Club". Searching on Google for "Ford Classic" produces very few immediate results for this car, whilst Consul Classic immediately gives you a whole bunch. Lukeno94 (tell Luke off here) 17:40, 19 December 2014 (UTC)
  • (Discuss) – Islamic terrorism → Islamist terrorism – Most Muslims wouldn't want to be associated with it so WP:AT, with text "..The title indicates what the article is about..", applies. In the article Islamic terrorism#Ideology clearly presents Islamists as the faction behind terrorist attacks. The following section, Islamic terrorism#Criticism of Islamic terrorist ideology, then demonstrates a high level of disapproval of Islamic/Islamist terrorist attacks among Muslims. WP:LABEL (also accessed by WP:TERRORIST) speaks of value laden labels yet, in this situation, it can be argued that Islamic is a more value laden label even than terrorist. Many Muslims roundly condemn terrorist action. Searches indicate about half the level of hits for "Islamist terrorism" and "Islamist terrorist" in comparison to searches on "Islamic terrorism" and "Islamic terrorist". The Islamist terms have a far more specific meaning on a subject that is not representative of Islam. I am not sure whether sources have really thought things through with regard to their usage. --Relisted. Dekimasuよ! 00:45, 19 December 2014 (UTC) GregKaye ✍♪ 14:40, 12 December 2014 (UTC)
  • (Discuss) – DWRT-FM → 99.5 Play FM – Per WP:NC, one of the characteristics of a good article title is recognizability. So to comply with the policy mentioned, we should use the station name—which is more recognizable than its call sign—to name this article. —theenjay36 (talk) 09:45, 18 December 2014 (UTC)
  • (Discuss) – Š-L-M → S-L-M – The use in Arabic and East Semitic languages outweighs other usages. In any case, use of the S in Hebrew relates to the use of a letter form, ש, which if, in modern times, is given a diacritic dot in to the top right of the letter, will be pronounced "Sh" but if it is given a diacritic dot to the top left, will be pronounced "S". Nikud, diactitic type marks were only relatively recently added to texts and it is hard to say how things would have been pronounced in earlier times. Arabic has Salaam while Hebrew has Shalom. Arabic has Islam while Hebrew has Jerusalem (which in Hebrew is pronounced Yerushalayim). Yes, Islam has a verbal link to peace. I see no reason why this connection cannot be fairly presented.
    Now, as an abuse of talk page access, I'd like to share one of my favourite songs, sung by Iraqi-Israeli performer Mosh Ben Ari, then of the band Sheva, The song with its repeated but hopeful point is the wonderful Salaam, translation as in the Wikipedia article here. It chokes me every time Face-smile.svg. GregKaye ✍♪ 07:03, 18 December 2014 (UTC)
  • (Discuss) – Bluestein's FFT algorithm → Chirp Z-transform – This article confuses me. In the same sense that the FFT is a particular implementation of the DFT, it would seem that the CZT is a general transform that can be implemented in different ways, and the Bluestein algorithm is a particular implementation (and there's probably a slow, direct implementation?) The CZT computes samples in spirals around the Z plane, and the DFT and "zoom-FFT" are special cases of the CZT that you get when setting the parameters so that it only loops around the unit circle. I think the article should be about the chirp-Z transform, and the Bluestein algorithm should be a section in that article. If it was originally formulated as an DFT algorithm, and the more general Chirp-Z was invented later, that should be mentioned, but the article should be about the transform, not the history. (And it should have a picture of the spiral samples.) — Omegatron (talk) 21:21, 17 December 2014 (UTC)
  • (Discuss) – Episcopal Diocese of Minnesota → Episcopal Church in Minnesota – According to the comments here, made by someone who says they are an officer of the body in question, the name used internally and in official communications by the diocese is "Episcopal Church in Minnesota." As I can see no reason not to use the official name, which has no obvious ambiguity or other problems that I can think of, I suggest moving the article to the title the body currently uses and leaving the other name as a redirect. John Carter (talk) 21:46, 16 December 2014 (UTC)
  • (Discuss) – Tumor Treating Fields → Alternating electric field therapy – I've been reviewing a number of sources in preparation for an update to this page, and I've noticed that many independent english-language clinical review / guideline organizations (e.g. NCCN and UpToDate) seem to prefer the term "alternating electric field therapy" to refer to this technology in a generic sense. The term "tumor treating fields" was coined by Novocare researchers, and "NovoTTF" is the original, trademarked name for their device. It's not clear to me whether other companies that might produce devices in the future working on similar principles would be legally able to call them "tumor treating fields". "Tumor treating fields" is also a bit suboptimal from the standpoint of WP:POVTITLE, since it implies that the technology is efficacious in "treating tumors", while there is still substantial controversy among experts on this point. Finally, I think using a name that refers to the overall therapy, rather than intangible "fields" will lead to less awkward writing (such as the unwieldy first sentence "Tumor Treating Fields (sometimes abbreviated as TTF) is a neologism used to describe a type of electromagnetic field therapy using low-intensity electrical fields. --Relisted. Andrewa (talk) 16:45, 15 December 2014 (UTC) RustavoTalk/Contribs 23:00, 7 December 2014 (UTC)
  • (Discuss) – 2014 military intervention against the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant → Intervention against the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant – 1. Per Wikipedia:PRECISE. You lose nothing by taking out the words "2014 military 2. 2014 is not needed. It would make no sense to subdivide this page by year as time goes on(i.e. 2015 intervention...). Moreover, the article talks about subjects that predate 2014. For example, the United States Arming the Free Syrian Army. 3. There is no reason for the word "military". The article itself is not currently confined to simply military intervention. See the section on Humanitarian intervention. Second, all these states are using other types of intervention (Diplomatic, Economic, informational) against ISIL. The article should also cover those aspects. Casprings (talk) 04:14, 15 December 2014 (UTC)
  • (Discuss) – Bashkimi → Bashkimi (newspaper) – Bashkimi (Albanian for unity, union) is a very common word used in Albanian organization, patriotic clubs, sport clubs, periodic press, etc. Some of them belong to the period of Albanian National Awakening and are of much higher importance than this newspaper. A disambiguation page with a list of all these organizations might be a better choice than the communist-period newspaper Mondiad (talk) 20:02, 14 December 2014 (UTC)
  • (Discuss) – Long-period variable → Long-period variable star – WP:TITLE says we prefer nouns as title; this title is an adjective that in sources is almost always atteched to "star", except when it is being used as inside jargon for the category of such stars. The cited sources include stars as the noun explicitly, or implicitly at "Long‐Period Variables". The scholar search linked in the previous RM shows "star" included almost always. Dicklyon (talk) 18:05, 14 December 2014 (UTC)
  • (Discuss) – Video game genres → List of video game genres – The article in its current state is literally a list of genres. The title is even plural, whereas WP:PLURAL is against this and film genre and music genre aren't. More importantly, this article is not encyclopedic. Film genre is a relatively short article, but it discusses the categorization and definition of genres. The article attempts to explain what a genre is in film and how they are used. It does not list the genres themselves. I suggest this article be moved entirely while a new article called Video game genre is made. The lead section of this article could be used well for the new article, as a start. I'd love to help with the change and with improving the new Video game genre-article, but I'd like to know if people support this, seeing as it is currently a top-priority article and apparently B-class. --Relisted. Dekimasuよ! 19:36, 10 December 2014 (UTC) ~Maplestrip (chat) 11:01, 3 December 2014 (UTC)
  • (Discuss) – Raymond Chan Chi-chuen → Ray Chan – I'm surprise I was not made aware of the previous move, even though I created this page. It all seems like someone is trying quietly make all these moves to this non-existing HK convention as that IP stalker is saying without notifying anyone. There's no standard for Hong Kong names nor there is a convention on Wikipedia, so we follow the Chinese convention or English convention. If you got a Hong Kong convention, show it to me. Raymond is an English name, therefore follows the English convention with only First and Last name in the title, in this case Raymond Chan or Ray Chan. If he's more notable by his Chinese name, then rename the title to Chan Chi-chuen TheAvatar (discuss–?) 17:25, 10 December 2014 (UTC)
  • (Discuss) – Lau Kong-wah → Ray Lau Kong-wah – Or Ray Lau (currently a disambiguation page a redirect to this article)? Current title and his English name are commonly used, according to Bing News search. I prefer HK-style naming or "Ray". George Ho (talk) 02:54, 8 December 2014 (UTC)
  • (Discuss) – Salafi movement → Salafism – The name for this page must be Salafism from Arabic Salafiyya. That's an exact translation from Arabic. The article itself mentions the name Salafism several times. --Relisted. Dekimasuよ! 07:59, 7 December 2014 (UTC)  – Islamic11111 (talk) 06:36, 19 November 2014 (UTC)

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