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April 12

chicago blackhawks current roster

Hello,

I am seeing via the final regular season blackhawks game that number 81, Marian Hossa, is wearing an "A" on his jersey and it doesn't say it on the blackhawks page. The last time the roster was updated was 3/28/15. I hope you can fix that.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Toews1994 (talk • contribs)

Who is this "you" that you speak of. You are Wikipedia. If you see a mistake and don't fix it, it is only your fault and your fault alone that it is still wrong, and you have no one to blame, and no one to ask for help, except yourself. We're all waiting. --Jayron32 02:21, 12 April 2015 (UTC)

Anonymous edits count?

As can be simply seen from the edit history of Conversion therapy, an editor warred with me. Then an anonymous user came and changed the version; does it even count? as far as I know from the Hebrew wiki, anonymous edits don't effect edit conflicts and there are many reasons for that. What is your stance? Ben-Natan (talk) 04:32, 12 April 2015 (UTC)

Ben-Natan does not provide a full account of what happened at Conversion therapy. He has attempted repeatedly to remove material about President Obama's support for banning conversion therapy for minors, despite two users (an IP address and myself) agreeing that the material has to be included in some form. He has accused the IP address of being a sockpuppet of mine, falsely and without evidence. FreeKnowledgeCreator (talk) 04:40, 12 April 2015 (UTC)

I engourage other users to go and see if your acquisitions are true; btw I didn't make such accusation but presented a question - "Sign up if you want to influence - Maybe it's FKC from another PC?" you didn't read well... Ben-Natan (talk) 05:04, 12 April 2015 (UTC)

See boomerang. Maproom (talk) 07:13, 12 April 2015 (UTC)

User:Ben-Natan, yes you reverting an IP is counted as edit warring if done enough times. So if I make an edit and you revert it, followed by someone else restoring my edit and you then reverting them. Then finally an IP restores my edit and you revert them, then yes you are edit warring and you have now reverted 3 times. It does not matter what other Wikipedia's do as each one has their own rules. CambridgeBayWeather, Uqaqtuq (talk), Sunasuttuq 05:26, 13 April 2015 (UTC)

Referencing errors on NTV (India)

Reference help requested.

The article NTV (India) seems to have a problem with references. I don't know what is wrong with it. can you fix that problem??

I referenced it as I would normally. There is no problem with me Ok. See my edit

Thanks, Supdiop (talk) 11:50, 12 April 2015 (UTC)

Hello @Supdiop:, unfortunately I had to remove the added section for now. Please don't copy material from copyrighted sources into Wikipedia (see WP:Copyrights). Information needs to be phrased in your own words or put into short attributed quotations. Adding "Controversies" sections is difficult in general: it's probably best to look for additional sources about this incident to provide a balanced and neutral summary (see WP:NPOV). Regarding your reference question, Help:referencing for beginners contains a summary about this topic. You can also click on the "help" link in such error messages to show some basic information about the problem and possible solutions (in your edit 2 previous "ref" tags had no content and no closing "/ref" tag).GermanJoe (talk) 12:45, 12 April 2015 (UTC)

Tag filter on log page

I've never figured out the point of having the tag filter at Special:Log — why would you use it there? And how do you use it? I told it to filter for HHVM, the first entry at Special:Tags, and it gave me a page I've never seen before:

A database query error has occurred. This may indicate a bug in the software.

• Function: IndexPager::buildQueryInfo (LogPager)
• Error: 2013 Lost connection to MySQL server during query (10.64.32.25)

So I still don't know what it's supposed to do or to look like. Nyttend (talk) 12:16, 12 April 2015 (UTC)

HHVM may be a poor exsample. The HHVM filter was slow for me but eventually gave a page where all entries were from 10 December 2014 but did not say "HHVM". I guess the tag stopped being applied that day and is still searchable but not displayed, at least not on log actions (I can see it in some edits before 10 December). mw:HHVM/About says "The tags were hidden from the default view on November 10." I'm not sure how to interpret that. It was added on 10 November so it's not meant to say 10 December. Try "mobile edit" instead. That gives meaningful results (but only uploads) for me. Most of the tags will never be applied to a log action. "self-renaming and bad user talk moves" is one that does. PrimeHunter (talk) 13:43, 12 April 2015 (UTC)

But why would I want to search tags by log entry anyway? Isn't it easier just to go to Special:Tags, pick the tag you want, and look through its items? After all, the tag filter requires that you specify a tag; you can't have it present you with all tags at once, or even two or three. Nyttend (talk) 14:32, 12 April 2015 (UTC)

The tag filter option is in many places like logs, page histories, user contributions, recent changes, new pages. I see no good reason to remove it from one place just because it may be more useful in the others. Some users may not know where else to find the option or that it even exists. There may be other wikis which apply more tags to logs. The tag filter on logs of course only finds log entries with that tag so other pages don't have the same functionality in some cases. PrimeHunter (talk) 15:01, 12 April 2015 (UTC)

Demetriss Tapp and Person County N.C.

On your notable people in your article for Person County N.C. I think you should include Demetriss Tapp a Country music singer and song writer who resides in Hendersonville Tenn. And is still involved in Country music and television. Please do some research on her and consider adding her to your notable people list. Thank you and have a great day.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 204.116.163.245 (talk • contribs)

Lists of people from X should normally only include people who have their own articles as established "notable" persons. It does not appear that Tapp qualifies. In any instance, content would need to be verified by a reliable source. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 19:04, 12 April 2015 (UTC)

If you think this person meets Wikipedia's standards for inclusion (see Wikipedia:Notability (music)), you might submit that information at Wikipedia:Requested articles/music/Performers, bands and songwriters or be bold and write the article yourself. After the artist has an article it would be very appropriate to include them on the "Notable people" section of Hendersonville, Tennessee.  SchreiberBike | ⌨  19:42, 12 April 2015 (UTC)

Reference desk protected from non-insiders

I would have liked to add some thoughts on the mathematical reference desk, but some of he wikipedia insiders decided to make it only editable to insiders.

What a pity.

Wikipedia, which anyone can edit ... anyone "worth of" ... .

Good bye, everyone.

95.115.149.121 (talk) 18:51, 12 April 2015 (UTC)

It's not "insiders", it's autoconfirmed users, which only means Wikipedia users with a small bit of editing history rather than none at all. And even that is because of recent constant vandalism. Such an action is only taken when there is no other action available, it's not done on a light whim. The page might be restored to be editable by anyone later, after the vandalism has gone away. It's very often I see reactions like these, people see Wikipedia administrators take action against constant vandalism, and immediately think they're making Wikipedia editable by a select few glorified "insiders" only. It's only an act to prevent vandalism, there's no further agenda involved. JIP | Talk 19:35, 12 April 2015 (UTC)

Let me clarify a little. The edit protection is temporary, due to a guy using multiple accounts to commit lots of vandalism (example), and hopefully he'll get bored soon and allow us to end the protection. Unless we want to spend hours hitting "undo" every couple of minutes, we have to choose between protection and having no Reference Desk content at all. Nyttend (talk) 01:46, 13 April 2015 (UTC)

Maybe you really believe what you are saying, but being accused of being a sock puppet is a cheap accusation which cannot be disproved. Trying to argue against it will be called trolling. I've been accused more than once, and now it is "never again". Cheers! 95.115.181.232 (talk) 13:57, 13 April 2015 (UTC)

Your IP address has changed between edits. The ability to maintain an editing history is one of the various advantages of creating an account. The idea that editing from an IP address is a better protection of privacy than editing pseudonymously is a myth; in fact, registered accounts have better privacy than IP addresses, which can be geolocated. Registering an account has other advantages also. Robert McClenon (talk) 14:21, 13 April 2015 (UTC)

To the best of my knowledge, no one has called the OP a sock puppet here. The page is temporarily protected because it has been constantly vandalised. No one has said the OP here is the vandal. This is just a routine measure against vandalism and only temporary. It's not a personal vendetta against the OP, or anonymous users in general. Don't take it personally and claim "Wikipedia is for insiders only! I'm leaving!" just because one page is temporarily protected. JIP | Talk 19:09, 13 April 2015 (UTC)

Oh, no. You cn't get an account from a dynamic IP that changes on a daily base.I tried and the account was instantly blocked based on the fact that some real troll had used one of those IPs in the past. So it is a vendetta against anonymous users. 95.115.146.71 (talk) 10:44, 14 April 2015 (UTC)

There's no issue with short term IP address leases for accounts on Wikipedia. Even if you're stuck in an IP address range that has account creation blocked because of persistent vandalism, you can still Wikipedia:Request an account. Rwessel (talk) 12:08, 14 April 2015 (UTC)

I have different experience. Once your accused to be a troll for having a tainted IP, everything you do or say is taken as proof that you really are a troll. Kind of a witch trial. User:999Bedbugs — Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.115.146.71 (talk • contribs) 13:08, 14 April 2015‎

Honestly I'm out of my depth here. The Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Technoquat, in which user:999Bedbugs got included, is huge and complex, and I really can't get my head around it to form any sort of opinion. I can say that there is *no* desire to block an editor unjustly. The SPI archive may give you some information about what the exact issues were. Looked at alone, the edits made by that account don't appear to be particularly objectionable, but my ability to compare them in form, content and timing to the other accounts in the SPI is minimal at best. Since the talk page is blocked, the way to request an unblock is via Wikipedia:Unblock Ticket Request System. There are also some helpful links on that page. I will also comment that the unblock request placed on the 999BedBugs talk page 16 June 2013 was less than helpful, you'll need to provide a real reason in your unblock request. "Your reason here" does not count, and would obviously be dismissed out of hand (as it was), and probably taken as a sign of bad faith (see Wikipedia:Guide to appealing blocks). Rwessel (talk) 18:04, 14 April 2015 (UTC)

It's also unclear from [1] whether 999Bedbugs actually wanted to be unblocked or only wanted an explanation. PrimeHunter (talk) 23:09, 14 April 2015 (UTC)

Update table for Australia under the "Joint Issues" article

Hello, I would like to update the table for Australia under the " Joint Issues" article but I don't know how. Below is a copy of the table with my amendments and additions. Maybe someone canhelp with this. The references are the Australia Post Bulletins auspost.com.au/stamps

(Year / Postal Administration / Topic / Note / Date of Issue) ADD 1983 /New Zealand /closer Economic Relations Agreement/ Stylized Kangaroo and Kiwi? Feb 2, 1983 ADD 1990 / USSR / Scientific Cooperation in Antarctica / / June 13, 1990 ADD 1994 /Thailand & Laos / Opening of Friendship Bridge between Thailand and Laos / Views of Friendship Bridge/April 8, 1994 AMEND 1999 / Canada / Maritime Links /“Marco Polo” Joint Miniature Sheet / March 19, 1999 AMEND 1999 / Ireland / Maritime Links / “Polly Woodside” Joint Miniature Sheet / March 19, 1999 AMEND 2000 / Greece / Sydney and Athens Olympic Games / Sydney Opera House, Parthenon and Olympic Flame /September 15, 2000 ADD 2009 / Norfolk Island & Cocos (Keeling) Islands & Christmas Island & Australian Antarctic Territory / Species at Risk/ Joint Territories Issue, including Joint Miniature Sheet / August 4, 2009 ADD 2010 / Papua New Guinea / Kokoda Trail / / April 20, 2010 ADD 2011 / Cocos (Keeling) Islands & Christmas Island & Australian Antarctic Territory / World Wide Fund For Nature 50th Anniversary / Joint Territories issue / August 30, 2011 ADD 2013 / Israel / Battle of Beersheba / / May 30, 2013 ADD 2013 / Germany / Ludwig Leichhardt / Explorer / October 10 &15, 2013 ADD 2014 / Norfolk Island / Centenary of Australian Territory / Norfolk Island Pines / July 22, 2014 ADD 2015 / New Zealand / ANZAC Centenary / / April 7, 2015

I assume this about Postage stamps and postal history of Australia. I have copied it to that article's talk page, where someone may deal with it. Maproom (talk) 21:15, 12 April 2015 (UTC)

It's actually probably for the Joint issue article. Rojomoke (talk) 04:01, 13 April 2015 (UTC)

April 13

Referencing errors on Centration

Reference help requested.

I was trying to input a citation for a textbook entitled invitation to the lifespan, but was told I did it incorrectly. I was hoping for guidance on how to fix the citation.

Thanks, Epershing (talk) 00:22, 13 April 2015 (UTC)

Fixed in these edits. 2 hiccups: You do not need to specify whether its ISBN 10 or 13 (just plug the ISBN number itself into the field), and the Accessdate field did not recognise the exact format you used (it either needs to be ISO Date format - YYYY-MM-DD - or written out in full). As an aside, the accessdate field is only for web-based / electronic sources which can rapidly change ... the publication date field is sufficient for deadtree sources. -- saberwyn 00:36, 13 April 2015 (UTC)

Replace my Company Logo

Dear Administrator, I need to replace the company logo (Telin: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telin) to the updated ones and unfortunately I could't succeeded. How can you help as the company logo that currently used is the red font small orbital as seen in www.telin.co.id.

I have the hires logo and if you need it please contact me.

Thank you, Melani — Preceding unsigned comment added by Melani828070 (talk • contribs)

@Melani828070: I've uploaded the company logo that I found on the home page of the company you referred to and placed that new image in the infobox of the Telin article. Dismas|^(talk) 03:51, 13 April 2015 (UTC)

Thanks Dismas Ela (talk) 04:30, 13 April 2015 (UTC)

Find differences in a diff

Resolved

Is there a way to find what actually changed in the paragraphs of an edit such as this? In this case, the paragraphs after the table are not aligned because an empty newline was inserted, which, as Help:Diff#Simplifying_diffs explains, prevents the matches.

One way I can think of would be copying the whole text of before the edit in the sandbox, then editing that by replacing the whole text with the text after the edit, with the exception of leaving out the change that caused the misalignment, as the added newline in my example. If there are still paragraphs misaligned, search for other causes and repeat as needed. Obviously, this is prohibitively cumbersome for any but the most suspicious cases. — Sebastian 05:01, 13 April 2015 (UTC)

You could try something like text-compare.com. If I'm reading its results correctly, the only change to that para was the inexplicable change of [[Bawang]] to [[]]. (The same IP subsequently corrected that, and we now have a bluelink where a redlink once stood.) ―Mandruss ☎ 05:09, 13 April 2015 (UTC)

Hey Sebastian. There is a script that is perfect for this. Just add to Special:Mypage/common.js this text:

// install [[User:Cacycle/wikEdDiff]] enhanced diff
importScriptURI('//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Cacycle/wikEdDiff.js&action=raw&ctype=text/javascript');

Save, clear your cache, and then when you look at a diff you can toggle on an enhanced diff view by clicking on a button that looks like this: , which will appear above the regular diff view. Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 05:18, 13 April 2015 (UTC)

Wowie, I already had that installed and didn't know it would be a solution to this problem. Thanks. ―Mandruss ☎ 05:21, 13 April 2015 (UTC)

That works - thanks a lot! — Sebastian 06:03, 13 April 2015 (UTC)

@SebastianHelm:, you can select that as a Gadget from your preferences as well btw. —TheDJ (talk • contribs) 07:54, 13 April 2015 (UTC)

The gadget appears to be called wikEdDiff and is fully documented on this user page. ―Mandruss ☎ 09:25, 13 April 2015 (UTC)

Referencing errors on Grand Prix Sunbeams 1922

Reference help requested.

Hello, I have had an automatic message about a cite error in a new page I have created, but it doesn't tell me what the error is! I am happy to fix if I know what I need to amend. How can I see what the error is though? This is the first page I have created, so please excuse my ignorance if there is an obvious answer to this.

Thanks, Hannahmarymartin (talk) 05:50, 13 April 2015 (UTC)

It does say "Cite error: A <ref> tag is missing the closing </ref> (see the help page).". This is because you forgot the slash in front of the closing tag. I'll change this.

But there is another problem: There is apparently a garbled headline "==Design". Since we usually don't have a reference right after a headline, I assume this is an error, and I'll delete it. — Sebastian 06:22, 13 April 2015 (UTC)

While I was writing this, Someone else already made the change. — Sebastian 06:25, 13 April 2015 (UTC)

Transcluding a Category

Is there a way to transclude the content of a Category into another page? Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 08:55, 13 April 2015 (UTC)

So that it creates a list? Give us an example of what you want to do, it'll make answering a bit easier. - X201 (talk) 09:00, 13 April 2015 (UTC)

I would like to keep an eye on Category:Draft-Class Disability articles by transcluding the list of articles into my user page - or if the other members agree, even display it on the WikiProject page. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 09:03, 13 April 2015 (UTC)

This {{Category tree all|Draft-Class Disability articles|mode=all}} will produce the following

Is that any use? - X201 (talk) 09:20, 13 April 2015 (UTC)

@X201, That's perfect, It's even already collapsed. Thanks Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 13:08, 13 April 2015 (UTC)

Corrections and edits constantly deleted

I manage the rock band Anavae. We inherited a wiki page set up by a former vounteer.

The page at Anavae is problematically innaccurate, poorly written and is actually causing professional damage to the band by misleading readers and the BBC as to the band’s status etc.

I have tried to edit the page on three seperate occasions now and each time when I go back to make sure all is OK my edits have been deleted and the page has reverted to its former innaccurate condition.

What can I do or who can I get in touch with to remedy this please.

The BBC are using the Anavae wiki page for their information source and so all the information they broadcast on air and on line about the band is innaccurate!

Help please

Dave Wibberley Davewibberley (talk) 14:35, 13 April 2015 (UTC)

@Davewibberley:I don't have a lot of time for a lengthy answer but in short see WP:AUTOPROB. Dismas|^(talk) 14:47, 13 April 2015 (UTC)

There has been no discussion at all on the talk page, Talk: Anavae. The place for discussion of issues with the article is the talk page. If discussion on the talk page fails (and it hasn't been tried yet), read the dispute resolution policy. Also read the conflict of interest policy because you have a conflict of interest and are discouraged from editing the article (but are encouraged to post to the talk page). Robert McClenon (talk) 15:01, 13 April 2015 (UTC)

And, Davewibberley, it may help you understand what is going wrong if you realise that you did not "inherit" the page, because you do not own it in any way at all. It belongs to Wikipedia, and may be edited by almost anybody in the world as long as they follow Wikipedia's principles. You are one of the few people who are discouraged from editing it, because of your conflict of interest. We are keen that the article be accurate according to reliable published sources, and as Robert McClenon says, you are welcome to post requests and suggestions on the talk page; but if you cannot back them up with published references (and, apart from uncontroversial factual information, the references must be indepedent of you and the band) then they will probably not get acted on. --ColinFine (talk) 17:33, 13 April 2015 (UTC)

Renaming of an article

Hello, I want to rename the article "James Gill (artist)" into "James Gill". The article "James Gill" doesn't exist yet, there is only a link to a rock band which had a member named James Gill. The article "James Gill" exists also in DE and FR. Futher languages (ES, PT, SE, FI) will follow. Could you please help? Norbert Schott (talk) 17:14, 13 April 2015 (UTC)

@Norbert Schott: Huh? James Gill is a disambiguation page for eight people. James Gill (artist) could get the title if he was the primary topic but he doesn't appear to be more searched or significant than all the others put together. PrimeHunter (talk) 15:24, 13 April 2015 (UTC)

James Gill is a disambiguation page, it helps people find other people called James Gill. I can't see that any of them (including the artist) is worthy of being a primary topic. - X201 (talk) 15:27, 13 April 2015 (UTC)

Thank you for calling our attention to the current state of that article, which distinctly fails to meet our standards with regard to neutral point of view, promotional language and proper sourcing of articles on living persons. --Orange Mike | Talk 17:40, 13 April 2015 (UTC)

When Norbert Schott wrote "[t]he article 'James Gill' doesn't exist yet", I think he meant that there is no template of that name. He had tried moving the article to "Template:James Gill", and it had been restored. Maproom (talk) 21:19, 13 April 2015 (UTC)

can't find page

Hi there. I was working on two different articles at once, and not long ago asked the help desk how to do that. The respondent moved one of the pages I was working on to a different page oter than the Sand Box. Now I can't remember/locate where the first page I was working on is. Can you help me with that? Suzcommun (talk) 17:05, 13 April 2015 (UTC) Suzanne

Hi @Suzcommun: You can always view a list of your past contributions at Special:Contributions/Suzcommun. It looks like the two pages you've been working on are User:Suzcommun/sandbox and Draft:Daniel Schwab. ~SuperHamster Talk Contribs 17:09, 13 April 2015 (UTC)

(edit conflict)There is a draft article you have worked on at Draft:Daniel Schwab and one in your sandbox at User:Suzcommun/sandbox. The only other on you have worked on is D&H Distributing. It is not a draft but an article. -- GB fan 17:10, 13 April 2015 (UTC)

April 14

request edit

Tom Apple (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

Hi, I have come across a wiki page on which a contributor has added a slanted comment which I believe was added to make the subject of the page look bad. I am related to the subject of the page, so can't really modify the page myself. What can I do? Thanks, Kukuinut

@Kukuinut: What is the article's title? ―Mandruss ☎ 00:33, 14 April 2015 (UTC)

@Kukuinut: The advice at WP:AUTOPROB applies equally well to a case like yours. -- John of Reading (talk) 06:25, 14 April 2015 (UTC)

The page is 'Tom Apple'. The slanted comment which was added last July was posted by someone using the moniker of a man who has an axe to grind with the subject of the wiki page. I tried several times to post information which corrects the statement inserted by the contributor in July--I was trying to upload the information to PVMoutside's user page using the 'talk' feature, but just couldn't get it to work. Kukuinut

Was successful, thanks! Kukuinut

Questions about guidelines

I had some questions about if there are certain rules to the guidelines that support certain edits.

First, is there anything to the guidelines that could argue photo collages for ethnic group articles, such as the 30-man collage in Poles, is beneficial to Wikipedia? Or guidelines that could be used to support the existence of the collages in any way.

Second, are there any guidelines that support using certain different names for events or places depending on the subject of the article? For example, the fact that World War I/II are called so mostly on American articles, but are called First/Second World War on most European articles. This also goes for more controversial issues. For example, if Israelis and Palestinians call a city by a different name, could the respective preferred name be used for both kinds of articles?

Third, is there a general guideline for alternate language names of a location? An example would be Thessaloniki and all the alternate names under etymology. What kind of significance must an alternative language name have in order to be on Wikipedia? Is there a guideline that goes over when an alternative language name is not significant enough? --Steverci (talk) 01:39, 14 April 2015 (UTC)

I think that WP:ENGVAR and WP:COMMONNAME will answer not only the last two of your questions but also many that you haven't considered yet. I'm sorry but I don't have an answer for the first. Dismas|^(talk) 01:44, 14 April 2015 (UTC)

WP:GALLERY and WP:MONTAGE cover some basic aspects of the first question to get you started, but don't go into finer details. GermanJoe (talk) 01:56, 14 April 2015 (UTC)

Lastly, most of these examples have probably been reached through forming a consensus. You could take a look through the archives of the talk pages to find discussions over some of these. CaptRik (talk) 07:29, 14 April 2015 (UTC)

What's the template?

what is the template for informing article creator in their talk page that their article has been proposed for Speedy deletion? I couldn't find any template for that particular purpose. does anyone know that template? Supdiop (talk) 06:34, 14 April 2015 (UTC)

This is in the first section at WP:CSD. It says to post {{subst:CSD-warn|csd|Page name}} to the creator's talk page as well as any other editors who have made major contributions. That's my quick summary of it.

That said, if you use Twinkle to tag the article, it will automatically notify the page creator. Dismas|^(talk) 07:09, 14 April 2015 (UTC)

@Dismas: I must have missed it while reading Criteria for Speedy deletion. Thank you, that helps me a lot. Supdiop (talk) 07:18, 14 April 2015 (UTC)

Emereo Pty ltd and Emily Smith

Resolved: Skr15081997 (talk) 07:30, 14 April 2015 (UTC)

Emily Smith has published more than a 1,000 books "XYZ Handbook - Everything You Need to Know About XYZ". These books are copied from Wikipedia and now are being used as RSes. Has the author or published entered into some sort of partnership with WMF? At Googe Books they say that "a portion of the proceeds of each book will be donated to the Wikimedia Foundation to support their mission." Is this true? Are they donating anything to WMF? Further discussion at Amazon.com, Review at Google Books. Thanks, --Skr15081997 (talk) 07:08, 14 April 2015 (UTC)

See WP:REUSE, it's allowed so long as they comply with the licensing correctly. I don't think anyone here would be able to confirm whether they were truly donating money to the WMF but there's no requirement to. I think it could be considered a problem if material that was sourced from Wikipedia was then in turn used as an RS in a controversial area. Not sure how we would handle that,Reliable Source Noticeboard perhaps? CaptRik (talk) 07:25, 14 April 2015 (UTC)

Defaultsort clarification

Hello all,

I'm looking for a bit of clarity on the use of {{defaultsort}}. I was told recently that defaultsort is only to be used in biographical articles. I have previously used it in articles (of all types) to prevent them from being sorted by the "A" or "The" at the beginning of the title; as an example, The Wind in the Willows is listed in it's various categories under "Wind in the Willows, The".

I'm somewhat rusty, and don't want to go around adding defaultsorts inappropriately! WP:SORTKEY suggests they can be used in articles other than biographies, but perhaps the guidelines have changed since I became less active. Would anyone be able to help me out?

Many thanks,

--Kateshortforbob _talk 09:04, 14 April 2015 (UTC)

First I've heard of the "bios only" rule. Where did you see it? As far as I know, it can be used on any article for the reasons you mention. You'll see it being used at the TWitW article that you reference as well as at The Number of the Beast (novel). (the first novel with a "the" at the beginning that I could think of.) Dismas|^(talk) 10:19, 14 April 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for the reply, Dismas. My edit to add a defaultsort to an article about a band was reverted with the edit summary "defaultsort is only for biographies". It looks like the article itself will be deleted, so I'm not too concerned about that. I had always thought one of the uses of defaultsort was so category pages didn't have dozens of articles listed under "A" or "T" incorrectly, but I didn't want to create more work for others removing my incorrectly added templates. --Kateshortforbob _talk 10:39, 14 April 2015 (UTC)

Defaultsort is used wherever it is appropriate to do so. Mjroots (talk) 18:49, 14 April 2015 (UTC)

Formatting help needed

List of universities in Bangladesh - here the top most series of images should show up by the side of table, like the two other tables. But, it is not doing so. I can't find the problem. Can someone help? Aditya^{(talk • contribs)} 09:05, 14 April 2015 (UTC)

I see four tables, with images to the right of the tables as follows:

• Table 1 - Public universities - 12 images
• Table 2 - Special universities - no images
• Table 3 - Private universities - 5 images
• Table 4 - International universities - 1 image

No other images, except the one in the lead.

This is in Firefox under Windows, with the browser window maximized. The format does get messed up when I reduce the width of the window by about 10-15%. Seems like poor page layout to me, but fixing it would be non-trivial. I'd suggest raising the issue on the article's talk page. ―Mandruss ☎ 09:58, 14 April 2015 (UTC)

Publishing from the sandbox

I finished my article in my sandbox and now want to publish it. My status is "user". What should I do? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Valik gord (talk • contribs)

Being addressed at the Teahouse. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 12:39, 14 April 2015 (UTC)

Citation Error Can't Fix

I Need help fixing a citation with error message "was invoked but never defined" from this page - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Dirk_van_Daele

You invoked a reference: <ref name="Companies In The UK" /> but you have never defined this reference. See WP:REFNAME. -- Gadget850 ^talk 11:35, 14 April 2015 (UTC)

Also and more importantly, read Wikipedia:Notability. If Wikipedia allowed just any executive officer an article here, it would read more like a LinkedIn than an encyclopedia – so this is the wrong place for it. If Dirk van Daele was 'notable' (in an encyclopedic sense), he would already have a article upon himself. You do not need to wastes-your-time to write one for him here (even if he paid you), as he has no encyclopedic notability (as yet) and thus your draft will be rejected.--Aspro (talk) 15:33, 14 April 2015 (UTC)

Images from the German Wikipedia

I would dearly love to use an image from the German Wikipedia (where it is freely available without restriction) in an article I just created in the English Wikipedia. The usual approach, in this case File:Mietshaus.jpg surrounded by two sets of square brackets, does not work, maybe because the image is not in the Commons? What can I do to get this useful image into my article? Many thanks in advance for any help!--Remotelysensed (talk) 12:22, 14 April 2015 (UTC)

Yep you will need to move it to Commons before it can be used here. This page details the process and also any restrictions. CaptRik (talk) 14:03, 14 April 2015 (UTC)

Personal Autobiography

Is Wikipedia an appropriate place to write a personal autobiography. I am retired, not looking for work and not interested in using social media. But I'd like an online record of my career and family connections. Bob Orr

Wikipedia:Autobiography talks about personal autobiographies and why they are discouraged. RJFJR (talk) 14:51, 14 April 2015 (UTC)

Bug?

I just clicked on the "gymnasium" link in the first sentence of Joseph-König-Gymnasium, and I got to the disambiguation page Gymnasium, but in the wiki-text of the school's article it says [[Gymnasium (Germany)|gymnasium]]. Why then, am I going to the disambiguation page? I'm using Wikipedia with the Android alpha app version 2015-04-02 right now. -- Metrophil44 (talk) 14:22, 14 April 2015 (UTC)

That's odd. Does it happen if you log out? What happens if you click gymnasium, gymnasium, gymnasium here? They should link to Gymnasium (Germany), Gymnasium (Denmark), Gym. PrimeHunter (talk) 19:00, 14 April 2015 (UTC)

These links work correctly (logged in and out), but the one in Joseph-König-Gymnasium still redirects to the disambiguation (also logged in and out) -- Metrophil44 (talk) 20:39, 14 April 2015 (UTC)

That's really weird. Does it do the same in another browser? They all work normally for me. If you find another example of this or if this is happening for other people, we could ask some of the experts at Wikipedia:Village pump (technical). We could ask now, but with just one example I don't think there would be enough to go on. Keep us informed.  SchreiberBike | ⌨  21:06, 14 April 2015 (UTC)

I just tried the Internet app (and desktop version) and that works correctly -- Metrophil44 (talk) 21:54, 14 April 2015 (UTC)

Vandalism

How do I warn an anonymus vandalistic user? Kukkie (talk) 14:27, 14 April 2015 (UTC)

Go to WP:WARN, choose a template from the Vandalism section, copy it, paste it onto the IP's user talk page, fill in the article/page name as parameter 1, sign, and save. Later you can look into tools such as WP:TWINKLE and WP:HUGGLE. ―Mandruss ☎ 14:34, 14 April 2015 (UTC)

I'm an experienced user on the Dutch wikipedia (more then 7000 edits). Am I allowed to use it now? Kukkie (talk) 14:37, 14 April 2015 (UTC)

Anyone is allowed to warn vandals. ―Mandruss ☎ 14:38, 14 April 2015 (UTC)

Thank you. Kukkie (talk) 14:47, 14 April 2015 (UTC)

I reported your vandal at WP:AIV. Should be blocked before long, with any luck. ―Mandruss ☎ 14:50, 14 April 2015 (UTC)

My report was rejected as "not a violation", no other explanation. ―Mandruss ☎ 14:53, 14 April 2015 (UTC)

It looks as if the "not a violation" response was regarding a different user, and your report was lost in an edit conflict. Dealt with now, anyway. --David Biddulph (talk) 15:44, 14 April 2015 (UTC)

I have done a new request. Kukkie (talk) 15:07, 14 April 2015 (UTC)

Usurpation

Request for usurpation[edit] Hello, Kukkie. A request has been made at Wikipedia:Changing username/Usurpations to usurp, or "take over", your username because another user would like to use it to edit. The changing username guideline allows a username that is not being actively used to be usurped if the user is given an opportunity to object and does not do so.

If you have an email set in your preferences, you should be getting an email from a bureaucrat or changing username clerk explaining how to consent or object to this process.

If you do not object to being renamed to a new username in order for another user to use the name you currently have, please log in and post a reply here saying so (you may also tell us what username you would like to be renamed to, or we will provide you with a generic one).

If you do nothing: the request may be filled shortly, and your account will be moved to a generic username. You may request that it be moved to a new username of your choice at any time.

If you object to being renamed: please log in and make an edit to this page clearly stating that you object to usurpation. Any objection on your part will prevent usurpation.

Please note that even if your current username is usurped, you can still edit and your data will not be lost; your preferences, watchlist, and other user settings will be transferred to a new username.

Thank you for your time. This notification has been automatically delivered by a robot. Please comment at the Request for Usurpation page. AnomieBOT⚡ 14:53, 19 March 2014 (UTC)

What's this. Is my username still Kukkie? Kukkie (talk) 14:47, 14 April 2015 (UTC)

Yes, you have been Kukkie at the English Wikipedia since March 2014. You are quoting from User talk:Kukkie (usurped). Another account had the username Kukkie at the English Wikipedia before that but was renamed to "Kukkie (usurped)" at Wikipedia:Changing username/Usurpations/Completed/44#None (SUL request) → Kukkie. Somebody posted the request on your behalf but you confirmed it in [2]. PrimeHunter (talk) 17:06, 14 April 2015 (UTC)

Wrongfully Accused of Disruptive Editing

Hello, I was wondering how I go about reporting a user for falsely accusing me of disruptive editing? I don't believe one edit to a page, and another to fix a spelling mistake in my first edit counts as disruptive editing. I've spoken to them and they're absolutely adamant that it was disruptive editing. If someone could point me in the right direction that would be very helpful. Cheers, Thanks, Brocicle (talk) 02:58, 15 April 2015 (UTC)

If you were being harassed, the proper venue would be WP:ANI. However, I don't think one warning you disagree with rises to the level of harassment. And "I shall be making a formal complaint against you for wrongful accusations against me" is not a great way to initiate a peaceful content discussion with another editor. If you wish to pursue dispute resolution related to the content question, see WP:DR. ―Mandruss ☎ 17:16, 14 April 2015 (UTC)

(edit conflict) WP:OWNTALK allows you to remove the post from your talk page. The article currently has the content you wanted so please move on. If we spent time discussing every editor who opposes an accusation from another editor then we wouldn't have much time to write an encyclopedia. A single accusation like that is not a blockable offense so the best you could hope for is getting others to say it wasn't justified. PrimeHunter (talk) 17:27, 14 April 2015 (UTC)

FWIW, the warning was valid. Brocicle has been advised of this. As said above, not a major issue likely to lead to an imminent block. Something to learn from, absorb, and move on with. Mjroots (talk) 18:29, 14 April 2015 (UTC)

Submitting a page about myself

Hey: I've read through the material, including COI, and am still not clear about whether it is acceptable for me to submit a page/article about myself. I am a well-published professional writer and have eyeballed Wikipedia pages for several of my peers and have strived to make certain that the article is straightforward and non-biased. Basic information with verifiable links. Or is it better to ask a third party to submit material for/about me? What is the appropriate protocol here? Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Thompsonabbey (talk • contribs)

It isn't against the rules to write it yourself, it's just highly discouraged for the reasons pointed out in COI. To do this, it would probably be best to go through the articles for creation process where another editor will confirm that the resulting article isn't overly biased or promotional. Dismas|^(talk) 19:47, 14 April 2015 (UTC)

Rotana Jet Aviation.

{{request edit}}

Hi,

My name is Anil Kumar, from Rotana Jet Aviation.

The wiki page for my company is Rotana_Jet

I an trying to edit the information as the current information showing on wiki is not correct. I tried to put a brief information about my company and it is changed back to the old one. Later I have tried creating account and it happened to see me that my account is been blocked.

Could you please unblock me and allow me to edit the information. Or Can you please accept the information I had updated today.

My contact information are <redact>

Appreciate your assistance and quick response.

Thanks Anil Rotana Jet Abu Dhabi - UAE <redact>

Looks like the article has been protected because someone has been persistently adding copyrighted information into it ([3]). This is an absolute no-no. I see you posted this question on the article talk page, can I suggest you write out your proposed changes there, providing the sources for the information too? CaptRik (talk) 20:55, 14 April 2015 (UTC)

Talk Page?

Can someone help me with the Talk page Shumbard (talk) 20:26, 14 April 2015 (UTC)

Which article's talk page do you need help with, and what help are you asking for? RudolfRed (talk) 20:29, 14 April 2015 (UTC)

This question at the Teahouse shows that Shumbard means his own talk page. The only edit to it is by Shumbard himself, adding what may be intended as a draft article. Shumbard, what kind of help do you want? The intended purpose of your talk page is for communication between you and other editors. Maproom (talk) 21:13, 14 April 2015 (UTC)

April 15

Mickey Melchiondo/Dean Ween page

Hi, I am Mickey Melchiondo/Dean Ween. My wikipedia page is filled with errors and misinformation-- I would like to help to clarify and correct it. It says not to leave my email address but I am going to anyway as I have no idea how you will contact me otherwise. it is [redacted]

sincerely, Mickey — Preceding unsigned comment added by 73.13.66.237 (talk • contribs)

Hello, here are the ways that you can actually get help with issues about yourself in articles Wikipedia:Autobiography#Problems_in_an_article_about_you -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 01:48, 15 April 2015 (UTC)

Dan Schneider (entrepreneur)

Good afternoon,

There is a Wikipedia Page for Dan Schneider (Enterprenuer) that may be false. I do not believe this story. He may have a college degree. I do not believe he made 35 million dollars in sales. He does lie alot. He lied to me about going to a Wedding because in high school, I had a part-time job at a country club. I believe that he is using my story or a false story, but I would like someone to ask him to prove his story. I don't believe it.

Karen Galie

— Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.59.5.165 (talk • contribs) @173.59.5.165: GermanJoe (talk) 01:34, 15 April 2015 (UTC)

Please read WP:BLP before making additional changes to that article. If you can provide reliable published sources WP:RS for your allegations, it would be best to discuss your concerns at the article's talkpage. You should phrase your suggestions as neutral as possible, even if you disagree with some of the article's current content. GermanJoe (talk) 01:31, 15 April 2015 (UTC)

Cebuano?

Hi there,

I've been having this weird issue the past few weeks. Whenever I come on to wikipedia, and I type something into the search box, my results come up in Cebuano instead of English. I've been looking through the help desk, but I can't find any reason this would happen or how I can fix it. I hadn't even heard of this language before now, I only know what it is because I pasted some text into Google translate.

I can normally bypass the issue by going back to the first page and clicking on English specifically, but it's really slowing down some of my quick searches for episodes names and it's really starting to get on my nerves now.

What's going on? Why does wikipedia think I speak Cebuano? How do I fix it?

Yours Truly,

PT — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.162.143.243 (talk • contribs)

This likely has little to do with Wikipedia and probably everything to do with the cookie that your browser has stored on your computer. A cookie that thinks that your language of choice is Cebuano. If you clear your browser's cookies, then that should fix the issue. Dismas|^(talk) 01:08, 15 April 2015 (UTC)

Are you searching from the search box at http://www.wikipedia.org? If the box to the right of the search box says "Sinugboanong Binisaya" (meaning Cebuano in that language) then change it to say English. Or you can search from anywhere at https://en.wikipedia.org to automatically get the English Wikipedia. PrimeHunter (talk) 01:18, 15 April 2015 (UTC)

Las Navas/Education

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Leonard Ocino Lluz (talk • contribs)

References

Hello @Leonard Ocino Lluz: . You didnt really leave any explanation for what kind of help you wanted. please provide some specifics. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 03:16, 15 April 2015 (UTC)

@Leonard Ocino Lluz: I fixed the reference error at Las Navas, Northern Samar. Is there anything else?  SchreiberBike | ⌨  03:22, 15 April 2015 (UTC)

How do you handle a case like this?

I've been working on trying to resolve a long-standing issue at Americans involving editor RightCowLeftCoast (talk · contribs). After weeks of discussions and suggestions I finally told him that I was going to take it to the wider community to resolve. His response was to put out this crude dog whistle and then this red cape was waved in my face at another article I've put very much effort into improving. (That second user – SleepCovo (talk · contribs) – looks like someone's sacrificial sock, based on his/her history.)

So what do you do? If I ignore them and move on, a couple of articles that I've put a lot of effort into will be in terrible shape and there will be a couple of editors out there who will likely continue to try to drive away many more fine editors off of Wikipedia. I've looked into the various dispute resolution processes, but just trying to figure out how to navigate that process would take a huge chunk of what little editing time I can afford to spend on WP. And RightCowLeftCoast (talk · contribs) appears to be well informed on how to play the system, so it would likely be a long, unpleasant experience. So, what can be done? Sparkie82 (t•c) 04:22, 15 April 2015 (UTC)

@Sparkie82: Big disclaimer: I don't know a good answer to your question and I'm neither very familiar with the subject area you are working in nor with Wikipedia's dispute resolution process. However since no one else has tried, and I've thought about this problem myself, I'll weigh in and maybe others can add to what I say.

First, there's a lot to be said for having a nice cup of tea and a sit down. If you are seeing a "dog whistle" and a "red cape", it may be that you are thinking too much like an angry dog or a raging bull. I don't know much about the topic area and am not familiar with the dispute going on, but I don't see obvious provocation there. Others, looking at this for the first time, probably won't either.

Getting into the dispute resolution process can be messy, time consuming and unpleasant. It's also true though that if people don't stand up to bullies they will ruin the playground for everyone. (Again repeating that I don't know what's going on in this case and I'm not saying that @RightCowLeftCoast: is a bully.) If you do think it is worth your time and effort, then dive in, do your best and ask for help from others. Usually (but not always) the dispute resolution process on Wikipedia turns out well and people are reasonable.  SchreiberBike | ⌨  15:36, 15 April 2015 (UTC)

Being accused of having a WP:SOCKPUPPET shows bad faith. I do not know whom SleepCovo is and was am commenting here as I was pinged. Accusing me of being a bully is also showing bad faith. I reminded Sparkie82 of making such claims and WP:BOOMERANG.

This is a content dispute that appears to have turned into a fishing expedition against myself, and I have kindly asked Sparkie82 to walk away and leave me alone. Instead Wikipedia notification informs me of this accusation. And it makes me feel harassed and does not make my editing pleasent knowing that I am accused of some thing I haven't done.--RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 18:34, 15 April 2015 (UTC)

Furthermore, bringing up an unrelated edit from an active arbitration case could be seen as WP:WIKISTALKING. Please, I kindly implore Sparkie82 to please stop. Please, again, as I asked kindly before to leave me alone.--RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 18:40, 15 April 2015 (UTC)

I kindly as un-involved administrators MelanieN and Wtmitchell for advice. If I stand accused, I trust both editors to do the right thing. If I am banned for something that I have not done by them, so be it.--RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 19:00, 15 April 2015 (UTC)

┌────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────┘This is the Help desk, which is for questions about how to use and edit Wikipedia. For dispute resolution, see WP:DR. For reporting user misconduct, see WP:ANI. For endless bickering, see user talk pages. ―Mandruss ☎ 18:48, 15 April 2015 (UTC)

Scythian Languages

I made chaneges in Scythian languages supported by sources and refenrences, but in the next day all changes dissappered, What should I do so that the proposed changes are accepted? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A00:1028:86F1:71BA:4420:EAD7:383:3678 (talk) 04:56, 15 April 2015 (UTC)

You can discuss the article and changes to it on the talk page for that article at Talk:Scythian languages. It is also important to explain your edits as you make them in an edit summary. That way people can see why you made the changes you did.  SchreiberBike | ⌨  06:21, 15 April 2015 (UTC)

Upload Error

I wanted to upload an picture, but it says, This is only available for (auto)confirmed and moderators, what can i do? (excuse my bad english) --Lukasz - Discussion 09:05, 15 April 2015 (UTC)

You can ask someone else to upload it for you at this page. Yunshui ^雲_水 09:18, 15 April 2015 (UTC)

Uploading of an image

Could you kindly advise how I can upload an image of myself on my wikipedia page ? Many thanks Xavier Rolet — Preceding unsigned comment added by Xrolet (talk • contribs)

@Xrolet: To upload an image, you can use the wizard at WP:UPLOAD. Since you have edited an article that seems to be about you, please take a few things into consideration. You have a conflict of interest. We are writing an encyclopedia which should remain balanced and neutral. People tend to be rather biased when it comes to writing about themselves. You can see our conflict of interest guideline at WP:COI. Also, it is not your Wikipedia page. It is an article about you. Please see WP:OWN about the dangers of thinking that you own an article about yourself. By pointing these things out, I'm not trying to be rude. I'm just trying to urge caution as you work with the Rolet article. If there are problems about the article that you would like fixed, please follow the advice at WP:AUTOPROB. Thanks, Dismas|^(talk) 10:08, 15 April 2015 (UTC)

While I agree with everything Dismas has said, Xrolet, I would point out that providing a good picture of yourself (as long as you own the copyright, and are willing to license it as required) is one way that you are welcome to improve the article. --ColinFine (talk) 11:51, 15 April 2015 (UTC)

Thanks. I should have pointed that out. Dismas|^(talk) 11:59, 15 April 2015 (UTC)

Help for a dance article, and confusion at the Dance project talk page

Dear editors: I was contacted by a new editor who is working on a draft article about a ballet company, Draft:Editta_Braun_Company, which needs some serious work to make it encyclopedic. Knowing very little about ballet, I added some sources and then suggested that she ask for advice at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Ballet. I noticed, though, that the talk page there was rather inactive, so I decided to cross-post at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Dance in hopes of attracting a willing editor who would know what information should be in a ballet article (it all seems pretty subjective to me). I noticed, though, that the talk page there seems to be all mixed up, and I hesitate to post on it until someone who is familiar with the project puts things back the way it was intended to be. So, (a) can anyone help with the article, which needs a COI and essay-ness scrubbing? and (b) can someone look into the problem with the talk page? Thanks.—Anne Delong (talk) 11:57, 15 April 2015 (UTC)

at the project talk page, someone had transcluded another page using { } rather than just linking by using [ ]. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 12:55, 15 April 2015 (UTC)

Ah! I hadn't considered that. Thanks!—Anne Delong (talk) 13:18, 15 April 2015 (UTC)

LNP Media Group

I am attempting to place a new image of LNP - Always Lancaster on the page. That became the new name and design of the newspaper on Oct. 16, 2014. The current image, however, notes that it cannot be replaced. Can you direct me to replace the image? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 23.30.210.105 (talk • contribs)

Where does it state that "it cannot be replaced"? And what image do you plan to use instead? Maproom (talk) 14:28, 15 April 2015 (UTC)

How to add a map in any article?

exp.- I want to add a map of a town of any article then what is the steps to be followed by me? - — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rmje1111 (talk • contribs) 15:54, 15 April 2015‎

@Rmje1111:Does the map already exist at Wikipedia, or will you need one created? --Jayron32 16:05, 15 April 2015 (UTC)

Most (if not all) Wikipedia articles about towns already have a link to a map at top, in the form of latitude and longitude coordinates. (It's not very obvious that these are map links!).--Shantavira|^{feed me} 07:38, 16 April 2015 (UTC)

Is he a primary source?

I fail to convince another editor that "The former UN observer, is a primary source for the first half of the sentence: "Israel provoked most border incidents", but he is not a source of any kind for the later part of the sentence: "as part of its strategy to annex more land". The rule of Primary source says: : "Information for which the writer has no personal knowledge is not primary". This person had no personal knowledge concerning the Israeli policy, hence he is not a primary source. Which interpretation of "primary source" is correct? mine or the other editor's interpretation? thanks Ykantor (talk) 17:01, 15 April 2015 (UTC)

Regardless of whether or not Jan Mühren's views are a primary source or not, this article by Daan de Wit would be a secondary source, and so the issue is a moot point. The real issue would seem to be whether his view is being presented as his view alone, if it is contradicted or not supported by other sources. Ian.thomson (talk) 17:16, 15 April 2015 (UTC)

This is what I think too as Jan Mühren is quoted from what he said in a Dutch TV program and the quote can also be seen at that article. Only one part was attributed to him, not the second one, which I changed after Ykantor's edit. The section deals with border incidents were there are different accounts given. --IRISZOOM (talk) 18:26, 15 April 2015 (UTC)

-@Ian.thomson:- The article by Daan de Wit is not a wp:rs. It is not verifiable, and the author is not an expert in the issue involved. Is there a peer review or any respected review? is there a reputation for fact-checking and accuracy that WP:RS requires? ( see WP:QUESTIONABLE). I participated in a lot of articles, and I have never seen such a low quality source used as a wp:rs.

- So, is the former U.N observer a primary source for the alleged Israeli policy? Ykantor (talk) 20:59, 15 April 2015 (UTC)

I was going to argue about it being a journalistic source, but looking into it, that site includes 9/11 conspiracy theories. If it was a journalistic source, it would be fine to cite simply to report that that's what Mühren claimed. The Novatv article appears reliable, except that it doesn't support the quote. For that reason, the Mühren materal could be removed.

A primary source on Israeli policy would be something like government documents. Commentary about policy would be a secondary source. Ian.thomson (talk) 21:31, 15 April 2015 (UTC)

You are right about about DeepJournal. However, it was changed only some days ago to that from an article after the former link was dead (I guess because it is one of the sites that shows up while searching for that quote), of which an archived version of it can be found for example here. Deutsche Presse-Agentur is mentioned in that one. I don't think you can base it on the Nova TV article as it is just have a short description of the program. The program there does not seem to work now. The video with English translations can be found here (by two different uploaders):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YorwoqFGCn4, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mgZQpHsfWNw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLVoSdg_AE8, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4hrjTvWZkgY

So what Jan says there can be seen and also heard for those who speak Dutch. --IRISZOOM (talk) 22:50, 15 April 2015 (UTC)

- For the time being, the first part of the quote can stay in the article with a tag of citation needed. However, as for the second half of the sentence, it seems that the ex observer is not a source at all. Hypothetically, by the same token, he could have said that the reason was an alleged Israeli desire to expel the Syrian people to the moon. Does it make sense to rely on evidence of someone who could not know what the Israeli government wanted? Ykantor (talk) 04:03, 16 April 2015 (UTC)

It is a significant topic about border incidents and who was to blame (it even has an own section). We can't only include one part of Jan's statements and exclude the other because as they are connected. Only mentioning who he thinks is to blame and and not why he thinks Israel did so is not representing the statement accurately. There are many who think Israel has a goal of expansion (it is hard to argue in this case when Israel says Golan Heights now belong to them) so comparing it to some very odd theory about expelling people to the moon makes no sense.

You also keep mentioning that he has no knowledge about what the Israeli government wanted but if we are going to have such an critera, few scholars, observers and others would be included as far from all of them knows what a certain government etc. wants but they make their own interpretation. That is nothing that goes against Wikipedia policy. It is editors who are forbidden to make an own interpretation but this is not the case here.

We have a video and an archived text version, though it is a news blog, so I am not sure a tag is needed. --IRISZOOM (talk) 12:54, 16 April 2015 (UTC)

Adding new symbols between text on a new page

Hi

I would like to incorporate new symbols between text while creating my page. These symbols are not available in the symbols option. It can also be used as images as long as they are between the words of the text (rather than on the sides)and are as same size as of the words. Please help. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lijimathew (talk • contribs) 20:10, 15 April 2015 (UTC)

thanks Liji

I'm not entirely sure what you're asking. While in edit mode, on the editor toolbar there is a link that says "Special characters". It has characters from an array of scripts/writing systems. Does this help at all? What type of symbols are you attempting to add? Could you provide an example? Scarce2 (talk) 20:45, 15 April 2015 (UTC)

Noel Synnott

Birth information is incorrect - Noel Synnott birthplace Dublin 14 December 1951 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.78.113.187 (talk • contribs) 21:32, 15 April 2015 (UTC)

Do you have a reliable source so we can check it out before we fix it? --Jayron32 20:49, 15 April 2015 (UTC)

request edit to westerly RI history

nowhere is the history of the "Hall & Knight purchase", as it was how the town was bought from the indians on january 19 1668. The article states the town was founded by Babcock, he was simply a indian translator helping make the deal between Hall, Knight, and the indian tribe. Thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.229.103.172 (talk • contribs) 23:05, 15 April 2015 (UTC)

The best place for this request would be on the talk page of whichever article it's about. Maproom (talk) 07:38, 16 April 2015 (UTC)

Climate data

I am editing Utica, New York. I want to make a nice sized historical climate data table for the city, but I can't find all of the adequate information from NOAA, or at least I think I can't. Does anyone know where else I can find WP:RS data on climate for Utica, New York? Buffaboy ^talk 23:00, 15 April 2015 (UTC)

How good is data from this government site? Buffaboy ^talk 23:17, 15 April 2015 (UTC)

Marking a page as "unread" in watchlist

Is there a way to mark a page as "unread" in watchlist? I sometimes want to come back to a particular page later even though I have seen the changes. Is it possible to "undo" my visit? Kingsindian ♝♚ 23:37, 15 April 2015 (UTC)

This is not possible as far as I know. PrimeHunter (talk) 11:17, 16 April 2015 (UTC)

April 16

Visual Editor Adding New References

Hello WikiFriends, I feel silly. I've read the wiki edits page about 4 times now (I can't watch the video because my Java is being insane) and I've managed to figure out how to add in the footnotes but they aren't linking to the references. I am editing a page on a band for a class assignment so there are existing references and footnotes throughout the article, but when I try to add in my new reference the footnote reads 1 and the reference I added should be 8. If someone could walk me through a step by step of how to properly reference my websites and properly add in the footnotes that match those references I would greatly appreciate this so I do not fail my english project. Thanks!— Preceding unsigned comment added by TheKovacsCat (talk • contribs)

Hey KovacsCat. First, I would simply not use VisualEditor. It'll be nice when it actually works correctly but it's full of bugs. Since having looked at your contributions I don't see what page you have edited where this is occurring, I suspect you are previewing and have not posted yet. Anyway, here's how to reference, at it's most basic.

1. At the point in the text where you want a footnote to appear, place opening and closing ref tags, and describing in between them the source: <ref>Source detail</ref>
2. Make sure the article has a references section at the end (== references ==), which has placed in it the template {{reflist}} (you can also use <references />)

Wherever you placed the ref tags with content in between, that will display as a footnote in the text (entirely automatically numbered; you will never need to enter or worry about the numbering), and what you typed in between those tags will show up in the references section, where you placed the {{reflist}} template. You should try to describe your source with some detail in the citation. For example a book, would normally have name of author, title, page number, isbn, year of publication and name of publisher. There are various citation templates that can be placed between the ref tags to help format the citation.

Here's a working example. If I wanted to add a footnote at the end of this sentence to an article from the The Onion I'd type this:<ref>{{cite news|newspaper=The Onion|title=Cat General Declares War on String Unwinnable|page=6|date=January 10, 2007}}</ref>

When I saved it would look like this

References

I have placed just below a visual inline citation guide, which includes more detail on some of the things I've said above. Just click show. Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 03:40, 16 April 2015 (UTC)

Visual inline citation guide 

Formatting references using inline citations

All information in Wikipedia articles should be verified by citations to reliable sources. Our preferred method of citation is using the "cite.php" form of inline citations, using the <ref></ref> elements. Using this method, each time a particular source is mined for information (don't copy word-for-word!), a footnote is placed in the text ("inline"), that takes one to the detail of the source when clicked, set forth in a references section after the text of the article. In brief, anywhere you want a footnote to appear in a piece of text, you place an opening <ref> tag followed by the text of the citation which you want to appear at the bottom of the article, and close with a </ref> tag. Note the closing slash ("/"). For multiple use of a single reference, the opening ref tag is given a name, like so: <ref name="name"> followed by the citation text and a closing </ref> tag. Each time you want to use that footnote again, you simply use the first element with a slash, like so: <ref name="name" />. In order for these references to appear, you must tell the software where to display them, using either the code <references/> or, most commonly, the template, {{Reflist}} which can be modified to display the references in columns using {{Reflist|colwidth=30em}}. Per our style guidelines, the references should be displayed in a separate section denominated "References" located after the body of the article.
Inline citation code; what you type in 'edit mode'	What it produces when you save
Two separate citations.<ref>Citation text.</ref><ref>Citation text2.</ref> Multiple<ref name="multiple">Citation text3.</ref>citation<ref name="multiple" /> use.<ref name="multiple" /> == References == {{Reflist}}	Two separate citations. Multiple citation use. References_________________
Templates that can be used between <ref></ref> tags to format references {{Citation}} • {{Cite web}} • {{Cite book}} • {{Cite news}} • {{Cite journal}} • Others • Examples

NEW ARTICLE: PHILLIP RODGERS (GOLFER)

I just created this article. I misspelled this golfer's first name--it should be PHILIP (only one "L"). Would someone please correct the spelling for me?

Thanks,

--EditorExtraordinaire (talk) 04:03, 16 April 2015 (UTC)

I could do it for you, but you can do it yourself. In the upper right there's the "Search" window and just to the left of that it says "More". If you click on that, one of the options below is "Move". Click on that and follow the instructions. There's more detail for controversial moves at Wikipedia:Moving a page, but no need to worry about that for this. If that doesn't work, or if you have any other questions, let us know.  SchreiberBike | ⌨  04:13, 16 April 2015 (UTC)

Thank you. Editor Tewapack helped me, but I appreciate your help also! --EditorExtraordinaire (talk) 06:05, 16 April 2015 (UTC)

Checkusers

Hello, I have a question regarding the editors who are checkusers. Why does it not work when the accounts are stale like at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/Nickaang

The checkuser utility has deliberate throttles set into to prevent abuse. For that reason, checkusers are not able to check or verify accounts which have not been used for too long. There's no technical reason why these throttles exist, but there are rules against the use on very old accounts. --Jayron32 12:21, 16 April 2015 (UTC)

Updating copyright info in order to replace photos previously deleted for "Carlisle Military School"

Under the "Carlisle Military School" many photos were deleted because I did not fully comprehend correct coding. Subsequent to being notified that these photos had questionable copyright notations I had gone to the only known source of any "original" owner of said photos - Colonel Lanning Risher (whose family owned Carlisle when it was in existence). He gave me full permission to use any photos of Carlisle that was used in a book published by and for Carlisle Alumni (of which I am one): Zemp, Lachicotte; Camden-Carlisle Alumni Association Centennial Committee (1998). Carlisle & Camden : A Centennial History of Carlisle Military School and Camden Military Academy. Camden, S.C.: Midlands Printing Co. p. 151. This book used the very same photos that are part of Carlisles archives.

Even before I obtained this specific permission, I had requested those "editors" who had nominated these photos for deletion to please help in providing guidance in what s[pecifically is needed to keep these photos. No assistance was provided.

So now I ask again what category of "copyright licensing" is needed for photos several decades old - that are owned by the institution the wikipedia page is all about - when the only living person who represents this defunct institution had given permission to use said photos.

There has to be some assistance for novices. So far it appears that "experienced" editors are quick to see fault, nominate for deletion, and not even answering a request made by a user for assistance. SandHills (talk) 14:40, 16 April 2015 (UTC)

Guidelines for identifying advertising

Apparently it has been more than a year since I logged into Wikipedia because it was not until today that I received a message about an article I had written (my only article) being proposed for deletion. So I'm way past the deadline for reacting to that. But I would like to understand more specifics about the guidelines under which the page for Scrolling Game Development Kit was deleted. The comment states that it was being proposed for deletion because it was "just being used as free advertising."

I see that similar pages for GameMaker and GameMaker: Studio have not been taken down on similar grounds, and am wondering if they should be, or if some aspect of those pages needs to be included in this page to make it similarly notable or reputable for inclusion on Wikipedia. For example, do I just need to provide links to external sources referencing the software? Would these suffice?

• Site for a game created using the software: http://legacyofkainvampireprophecy.weebly.com/legacy-of-kain-revival-by-vincent-chevalier3.html
• Site for another game created using the software: https://sites.google.com/site/overgrownoatmeal/Home
• Yet another game site: https://sites.google.com/site/dobbsworks/
• Mention of the software at another site: http://www.pixelships.com/links.html
• There are also many download sites mirroring the software (and it's free).

I could probably find more if I kept looking, but that's a start.

Is there any record of what the page used to look like or would it need to be rewritten? — Preceding unsigned comment added by BlueMonkMN (talk • contribs)

The article was deleted with the rationale "Absolutely no reliable sources to give any indication of why this should have a WIkipedia article. Article is just being used as free advertising"‎ [4] which suggests that a complete rewrite would be necessary. Though frankly, the links you provide do nothing to establish the notability of the software - we need evidence of significant coverage in third-party published reliable sources. Games using the software aren't third-party, and a passing mention on what amounts to a personal website is of no significance at all. If those are the best sources you have, you are wasting your time. AndyTheGrump (talk) 15:15, 16 April 2015 (UTC)