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Requested moves is a process for requesting the retitling (moving) of an article, template, or project page on Wikipedia. (For retitling files, categories and other items, see When not to use this page.) Please read our article titling policy and our guideline regarding primary topics before moving a page or requesting a page move.

Any autoconfirmed user can use the Move function to perform most moves (see Help:How to move a page). If you have no reason to expect a dispute concerning a move, be bold and move the page. However, it may not always be possible or desirable to do this:

  • Technical reasons may prevent a move, such as when a page may already exist at the target title and require deletion, or if the page to be moved is protected from moves. In these circumstances, administrator help is required to move a page, see below: § Requesting technical moves.
  • A title may be subject to dispute, and discussion may be necessary in order to reach consensus, see below: § Requesting controversial and potentially controversial moves. It is not always necessary to use the requested move process in these circumstances: one option is to start an informal discussion at the article's talk page instead.
  • Unregistered users and new (not yet autoconfirmed) users do not have the capability to move pages. They must request moves using this process.

Most move requests are processed by a group of regular contributors who are familiar with Wikipedia naming conventions, non-binding precedents, and page moving procedures. Requests are generally processed after seven days, although backlogs often develop. If there is a clear consensus after this time, or if the requested move is uncontroversial or technical, the request will be closed and acted upon. If not, the closer may choose to re-list the request to allow more time for consensus to develop, or close it as "no consensus". For the processes involved in closing requests, performing moves, and cleaning up after moves, see Wikipedia:Requested moves/Closing instructions. For a list of all processed moves, see Special:Log/move.

To contest a close, the Move review process is designed to evaluate a contested close of a move discussion to determine if the close was reasonable, or whether it was inconsistent with the spirit and intent of Wikipedia common practice, policies, or guidelines.

When not to use this page[edit]

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Separate processes exist for moving certain types of pages, and for changes other than page moves:

Undiscussed moves[edit]

Anyone can be bold and move a page without discussing it first and gaining an explicit consensus on the talk page. If you consider such a move to be controversial, and the new title has not been in place for a long time, you may revert the move. If you can not revert the move for technical reasons then you may request a technical move.

Move wars are disruptive, so if you make a bold move and it is reverted, do not make the move again. Instead, follow the procedures laid out in § Requesting controversial and potentially controversial moves.

Requesting technical moves[edit]

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The discussion process is used for potentially controversial moves. If any of the following apply to a desired move, treat it as potentially controversial:

  • There is an existing article (not just a redirect) at the target title;
  • There has been any past debate about the best title for the page;
  • Someone could reasonably disagree with the move.

If a desired move is uncontroversial and technical in nature (e.g. spelling), please feel free to move the page yourself. If the page has recently been moved without discussion, you may revert the move and initiate a discussion on its talk page. In either case, if you are unable to complete the move, request it below.

{{subst:RMassist|<!--old page name, without brackets-->|<!--requested name, without brackets-->|reason= <!--reason for move-->}}
This will automatically insert a bullet and include your signature. Do not edit the article's talk page.
  • If you object to a proposal listed in the uncontroversial technical requests section, please move it to the Contested technical requests section.

  • Alternatively, if the only obstacle to an uncontroversial move is another page in the way, you can ask for the deletion of the other page. This may apply, for example, if the other page is currently a redirect to the article to be moved, a redirect with no incoming links, or an unnecessary disambiguation page with a minor edit history. To request the other page be deleted, add the following code to the top of the page that is in the way:
{{db-move|<!--page to be moved here-->|<!--reason for move-->}}
This will list the undesired page for deletion under criterion for speedy deletion G6. If the page is a redirect, place the code above the redirection. For a list of articles being considered for uncontroversial speedy deletion, see Category:Candidates for uncontroversial speedy deletion.

Uncontroversial technical requests[edit]

Contested technical requests[edit]

Requests to revert undiscussed moves[edit]

Requesting controversial and potentially controversial moves[edit]

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Use this process if there is any reason to believe a move would be contested. For technical move requests (e.g. spelling and capitalization fixes), see Requesting technical moves.

Do not put more than one open move request on the same article talk page, as this is not supported by the bot that handles updates to this page. Multiple closed move requests may be on the same page, but each should have a unique section heading.

Requesting a single page move[edit]

(To propose moving more than one page—for example, moving a disambiguation page in order to move another page to that title—see "Requesting multiple page moves" below.)

To request a single page move, edit at the bottom of the talk page of the article you want moved, using this format:

{{subst:Requested move|NewName|reason=Place here your rationale for the proposed page name change, ideally referring to applicable naming convention policies and guidelines, and providing evidence in support where appropriate. If your reasoning includes search engine results, please present Google Books or Google News Archive results before providing other web results. Do not sign this.}}

Replace NewName with the requested new name of the page (or with a question mark, if you want more than one possible new name to be considered). Leave the Subject/headline blank, as the template automatically creates the heading "Requested move 25 February 2015". Do not sign a request with ~~~~ as the template does this automatically. The template must be substituted.

Use the code |talk=yes to add separate locations for survey and discussion.

Note: Unlike certain other request processes on Wikipedia, nominations need not be neutral. Strive to make your point as best you can; use evidence (such as Ngrams and pageview statistics) and make reference to applicable policies and guidelines, especially our article titling policy and the guideline on disambiguation and primary topic. After the nomination has been made, nominators may nevertheless add a separate bullet point to support their nomination, but should add "as nominator" (for example,  * '''Rename, as nominator''': ...). Most nominators, however, simply allow the nomination itself to indicate what their opinion is. Nominators may also participate in the discussion along with everyone else, and often should.

Requesting multiple page moves[edit]

A single template may be used to request multiple related moves. On one of the talk pages of the affected articles, create a request and format it as below. A sample request for three page moves is shown here (for two page moves, omit the lines for current3 and new3). For four page moves, add lines for current4 and new4, and so on. There is no technical limit on the number of multiple move requests, but before requesting very large multi-moves, consider whether a naming convention should be changed first. Discuss that change on the talk page for the naming convention, e.g., Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (sportspeople).

{{subst:requested move
| new1 = New title for page 1 with the talk page hosting this discussion
| current2 = Current title of page 2
| new2 = New title for page 2
| current3 = Current title of page 3
| new3 = New title for page 3
| reason = Place here your rationale for the proposed page name change, ideally referring to applicable naming convention policies and guidelines, and providing evidence in support where appropriate. If your reasoning includes search engine results, please default to Google Books or Google News Archive before providing any web results. Do not sign this.}}

For example, to propose moving the articles Wikipedia and Wiki, put this template on Talk:Wikipedia, and replace current2 with Wiki. The discussion for all affected articles is held on the talk page of the article at page 1 (Talk:Wikipedia). Do not sign a request with ~~~~ as the template does this automatically. Do not skip pairs of numbers.

RMCD bot automatically places a notice section on the talk page of the additional pages that are included in your request, advising that the move discussion is in progress, where it is, and that all discussion for all pages included in the request should take place at that one location.

Relisting[edit]

See also: Wikipedia:Requested moves/Closing instructions § Relisting

Relisting a discussion moves the request out of the backlog up to the current day in order to encourage further input. The decision to relist a discussion is best left to uninvolved experienced editors upon considering, but declining, to close the discussion. Preferably, a reason for the relist will be given. When a relisted discussion reaches a resolution, it may be closed at any time according to the closing instructions.

To relist a move request discussion, simply type <small>'''Relisted'''. ~~~~</small> before the initial requester's first timestamp (see this diff for an example). This can also be done by using {{subst:Relisting}}, which signs the relisting automatically. The RMCD bot uses the new timestamp to relist the entry on this page.

If discussion has become stale, or it seems that discussion would benefit from more input of editors versed in the subject area, consider more widely publicizing the discussion. One option is to notify relevant WikiProjects of the discussion using the template {{RM notification}}. Applicable WikiProjects can often be determined by means of the banners placed at the top of the talk page hosting the move request.

Current discussions[edit]

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This section lists all requests filed or identified as potentially controversial which are currently under discussion.

This list is also available in a page-link-first format.

February 25, 2015[edit]

February 24, 2015[edit]

  • (Discuss) – Wikipedia:Pages needing translation into English → Wikipedia:Articles needing translation into English – After a couple of edits on this page that essentially contested my request for a draft page to be posted here (1 and 2), I believe that this needs discussion. From how the precedent in Wikipedia interprets the word "Page" in regards to name spaces, it usually refers to all name spaces. If the belief here is that only pages that exist in the article name space should qualify for this translation process and its related templates, then the page should be moved appropriately to reflect this page's scope. However, I oppose this proposed move since I see value in posting pages in the "Draft:" name space here to allow possibly abandoned drafts (such as the one referred to in my example diffs previously mentioned in here [it has not been edited by its creator since May 2014]) to get translated, then moved to the article space by other editors. Either way, if the name stays where it is, then the instructions here would need to be updated to consider pages in name spaces other than the article space. Steel1943 (talk) 21:40, 24 February 2015 (UTC)
  • (Discuss) – Passed (band) → Passed – "Passed" currently redirects to Pass - has done so since 2005 - though none of the entries on the dab page are "passed"; the band seems to be the primary topic for the word, though a hatnote linking to the Pass dab page might be a useful addition. – PamD 21:24, 24 February 2015 (UTC)
  • (Discuss) – Greek Muslims → Greek-speaking Muslims – The title of the article infers that people who are Greek speaking and Muslim are Greeks, when their unique communities now resident in Turkey have historically not identified with Greek identity. It represents an erroneous position, which when it comes to other similar communities with complex linguistic and other identities (like the Arvanites or Slavic speakers in Greece), they are not referred to as Albanians, or Macedonians/Bulgarians, because people within those communities may disagree with such names. For more see below: Resnjari (talk) 15:24, 24 February 2015 (UTC)
  • (Discuss) – HERO (fashion magazine) → HERO (magazine) – We suggest a change of the title of this page to HERO (magazine). The page currently at HERO (magazine) refers to an discontinued print publication that has been out of print for over 13 years and that page does not appear to have been updated in a very long time. The new HERO magazine (founded 2009 by completely separate publishers and editors) is distributed globally in over 40 countries and is very much currently active. If you Google “HERO magazine” (http://google.com/#q=hero+magazine) all top results refer to the current magazine featuring many male actors, designers etc., and we believe most people searching for HERO magazine will be looking for this publication rather than the older one. HERO also has over 100k followers on Facebook (http://facebook.com/heromagazine) and search for “HERO magazine” on Google images shows many pages of results from the newer title. The current HERO has been chosen by the New York Times as one of seven magazines in their print and web article “New Kids on the Magazine Rack – Indie Fashion Magazines Like Out of Order and Hero On the Cutting Edge” - (http://www.nytimes.com/2014/04/10/fashion/indie-fashion-magazines-like-out-of-order-and-hero-on-the-cutting-edge.html) . The current page title for the newer HERO magazine is “HERO (fashion magazine)” and the description is misleading, as fashion is not the only content – the magazine includes style, culture, film, arts, fashion, music, literature etc and so we feel HERO (magazine) is a more appropriate page title, and will be what the vast majority of Wikipedia users will be looking for when searching this topic. Wiki edit 34957130 (talk) 15:21, 24 February 2015 (UTC)
  • (Discuss) – Smithers (name) → Smithers (surname) – Smithers (surname) currently confusingly redirects to Smith; yet we have a surname article for Smithers, so this should be moved to that title, to indicate the scope of this article, as surname articles should use "surname", while "name" covers names that are both surnames and given names, and "given name" is for given names. This article does not include any given name variants. -- 70.51.200.101 (talk) 07:12, 24 February 2015 (UTC)

February 23, 2015[edit]

  • (Discuss) – Battle on the Ice (Lake Peipus) → Battle on the Ice (1242) – Noting multiple undiscussed moves of this topic (with use of admin tools to leave no redirects behind!), I request discussion. I believe "Battle on the Ice" is one proper noun name of this, but not "Battle of the ice". Appending the year (1242) is helpful for clarity, I think. "Battle of Lake Peipus" is also possible. --Relisted. Number 57 13:11, 23 February 2015 (UTC) doncram 14:48, 14 February 2015 (UTC)
  • (Discuss) – Tryphon, Respicius, and Nympha → Saint Tryphon – This article is currently about three saints that have no connection to each other except for having the same feast day (formerly). The section about Respicius and Nympha is totally unsourced. I propose this article to be solely about St. Tryphon and Respicius and Nympha be removed from the article. If someone has somesources about Respicius and Nympha, we may create new article (or two) about them. --Relisted. Number 57 13:01, 23 February 2015 (UTC) Vanjagenije (talk) 02:45, 15 February 2015 (UTC)

February 22, 2015[edit]

  • (Discuss) – Anchor babies in Hong Kong → Birth tourism in Hong Kong – "Anchor babies" should not be used here. The term "anchor baby" is not a generic, neutral English expression; rather, it is a politically charged term used specifically in the context of the US immigration controversy, and its use in a non-US, non-English-speaking context as if it were a neutral generic term is inappropriate. — Richwales (no relation to Jimbo) 23:03, 22 February 2015 (UTC)
  • (Discuss) – Donets Basin → Donbass – This article should be moved for a few reasons. For one, "Donbass" is the common name for this place in English, as shown by Google Ngrams. Google shows 8,680,000 hits for "Donbass", 1,220,000 for "Donbas", and only 103,000 for "Donets Basin". Secondly, "Donbass" is much more WP:CONCISE than the present title, and also more naturally what the reader would type into the search bar, per WP:NATURALNESS. It is also true that use of "Donets Basin" tends to be limited in use to the coal-ming area geological area, whereas "Donbass" is a cultural and historical region that has a wider scope. Note that the Russian Wikipedia has two articles on the subject, one for "Donbass" as a cultural region, and one for "Donets Coal Basin" as a narrow-scoped geological area. This article is about the wider-scoped entity. All of our title criteria suggest using "Donbass". RGloucester — ☎ 20:35, 22 February 2015 (UTC)
  • (Discuss) – Gallop → gallop (disambiguation) – There is a clear main subject, Gait#Gallop. I am going to split the Gait article, since some information for some sections eg. "gallop" is also spread over other wikipedia page, and I am planning to consolidate them (see the discussion above). -M.Altenmann >t 20:29, 22 February 2015 (UTC)
  • (Discuss) – Gjilan → Gnjilane – Previous move request was closed as "move" with only three users contributing to the discussion, one of whom (the nominator) was actually a sockpuppet of an indefinitely blocked editor. He claimed that "Gjilan" is the common name of the town in English sources, and that the article should be moved per WP:COMMONNAME. That is clearly not true. Evidence he presented (Google search results) is clearly wrong. While he claimed that Google returns 10 million results for "Gjilan", it actually returns just 480,000 results. You can just click the link and check it yourself. If the word "Wikipedia" is excluded from search, it falls to 430,000 (see link). On the other hand, Google English language search for "Gnjilane" returns about 1,800,000 results (see link, "Wikipedia" excluded). When English language books are searched, the result is similar: 1,280 results for "Gjilan" and 20,800 for "Gnjilane". Google News search is also similar: 112 hits for "Gjilan" and 6,600 for "Gnjilane". Google Ngram Viewer may be used, but its results are inconclusive. It shows the use of "Gjilan" rising in recent years, and "Gnjilane" falling, but still the exact preference cannot be concluded from (see: [1] and [2], depends on the level of "smoothing" used). This evidence shows us that, although both names are used by English sources, "Gnjilane" is still more commonly used. Yahoo News uses "Gnjilane", as does The Independent, Human Rights Watch, FOX News, and Radio Free Europe, which is, by the way, financed by the US government. So, I request the article be moved back to "Gnjilane" as the WP:COMMONNAME. Vanjagenije (talk) 18:51, 22 February 2015 (UTC)
  • (Discuss) – Cocomes → Cocom – The Maya state was Cocom; the article title uses an inappropriate Spanish-language plural --Relisted.  — Amakuru (talk) 10:07, 22 February 2015 (UTC) Simon Burchell (talk) 22:24, 14 February 2015 (UTC)
  • (Discuss) – Government-owned corporation → State-owned enterprise – As discussed and basically agreed upon above, "state-owned" is the slightly broader, but less fuzzy concept. Various different definitions of "government" exist, ranging from a synonym of "state" to the mere executive branch or what in U.S. terminology is called administration. Also, as discussed there, not all state-owned enterprises are organized as corporations. State-owned enterprise (SOE) is common terminology. I prefer this to be formally discussed befor making the move though. --PanchoS (talk) 07:46, 22 February 2015 (UTC) PanchoS (talk) 07:46, 22 February 2015 (UTC)
  • (Discuss) – Larry Lee → Larry Lee (musician) – I don't think this guy meets WP:PRIMARYTOPIC criteria. While I'm not suggesting he isn't notable, a lot of his notability does seem to be WP:INHERITED. He may even be more sought than any other single person on the dab, but not more than all of them put together. Take a look at "larry lee" -wikipedia. I don't see any results for the musician on the first page. The politician and the baseball coach sign up, though this may be attributable to recentism. Google Books results are similarly diffuse, though both are picking up partial-title matches of people named Larry Lee Surname. The musician got about 50% of views last month, and that's likely skewed high since he's already at the base title. --BDD (talk) 00:08, 22 February 2015 (UTC)

February 21, 2015[edit]

  • (Discuss) – CHF (disambiguation) → CHF – CHF has two main meanings, either the Swiss Frank or Congestive heart failure. If one does a search for CHF on google books large numbers of both come up [4] Thus the disambig should be moved to CHF rather than CHF being a redirect Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 17:30, 21 February 2015 (UTC)
  • (Discuss) – Pandeism → Pan-deism – Pan-deism or perhaps Pan-Deism. I do realize this theological model is by far most commonly not hyphenated. But having taken a greater and greater interest in the subject I find it increasingly irritating when detractors mockingly intimate that it is must require the worship of pandas. Were it to become more commonly presented as hyphenated, it would avoid this fopwhatery. (I don't propose extending this to Pantheism or Panentheism or Panendeism.) Pandeist (talk) 05:23, 21 February 2015 (UTC)
  • (Discuss) – God becomes the universe → God becomes the Universe – this used to be the title until this page got lumped together with a bunch of astronomical topics and moved. But, obviously it is not a topic in astronomy, but in theology, and so ought to have the same capitalization provided in its theological cousin Fine-tuned Universe. One conclusion to be drawn from the drawn-out debate of this matter as to the MOS is, lowercasing "universe" is only a question if we speak of universe-as-celestial-object. Pandeist (talk) 04:46, 21 February 2015 (UTC)

February 20, 2015[edit]

  • (Discuss) – Ministry of the Means of Communication (Soviet Union) → Ministry of Railroads (Soviet Union) – Well it's a bit of a dog's breakfeast, and figuring out Soviet bureaucracy isn't easy, but I think that Ministry of Railroads is a better fit. For one thing, the article starts out "The Ministry of Railways oversaw..." and it's pretty confusing to have the article title use one term and the bolded introduction to the entity in the opening sentence use another. So we have to change either the article title or the opening sentence.

    But which one? Well, the corresponding article in the Russian Wikipedia is Ministry of Railways of the USSR -- at least, that's how I'd translate it. Granted there's not a one-to-one correspondence between many words in different languages, and you could render "путей сообщения" as "post ways" or "message roads" or "communication pathways" or "means of communication" I suppose, and so on. But IMO it basically means railroads.

    However, I don't know if it had a different name(s) at different times, and if it did that could complicate things. But at any rate, according to the article, their gig was apparently overseeing railways, period, and the Russian Wikipedia article (which covers somewhat different ground) also indicates this. Finally, we don't want to get the reader confused with the Ministry of Communications and Information, which is an entirely different entity. Herostratus (talk) 13:11, 20 February 2015 (UTC)
  • (Discuss) – Amedeo Modigliani Quartet → Modigliani Quartet – The Modigliani Quartet has been using the name "Modigliani" for years and is absolutely not known as "Amedeo Modigliani", even if it was not totally clear at their very beginning from 2003 to ca. 2005. There is no need to call the Wiki page "Amedeo Modigliani". Rencontresmusicales (talk) 11:22, 20 February 2015 (UTC)
  • (Discuss) – Smells Like Teen Spirit → Smells like Teen Spirit – Prepositions containing four letters or fewer should not be capitalized in article titles per MOS:CT. Move log and past talk page discussions bring up very poor points about "official" names. (The name of the song is exactly the same; the difference is the capitalization, and we have guidelines for that.) –Chase (talk / contribs) 05:59, 20 February 2015 (UTC)
  • (Discuss) – Born This Way → Born This Way (album) – The song and album by Lady Gaga are undoubtedly the two most relevant and sought-after "Born This Way" topics, make no mistake. However, I don't think one of them trumps the other as a primary topic. The song article received 40% as many views in the last 90 days as the album article (see: [7], [8]), despite the album currently being the primary topic. (An argument could even be made for the song having more long-term significance, as it was and will continue to be played in its entirety on radio stations worldwide, unlike the album. But I digress.) WP:2DAB says, "If an ambiguous term has no primary topic, then that term needs to lead to a disambiguation page. In other words, where no topic is primary, the disambiguation page is placed at the base name." Similar disambiguation is currently in place at Like a Prayer. –Chase (talk / contribs) 04:47, 20 February 2015 (UTC)

February 19, 2015[edit]

  • (Discuss) – DHS (disambiguation) → DHS – DHS redirects to United States Department of Homeland Security. Today, the redirect was changed into a disambiguation page. I have reverted the change, as there is already a disambiguation page (this page) and am opening this move discussion to gauge consensus on whether the disambiguation page should move to DHS or the redirect should stay where it is. All links to DHS have been disambiguated (I didn't know this page existed until I went to create it). There were 52 links to DHS, of which 49 were meant for the Homeland Security department. Niceguyedc Go Huskies! 23:16, 19 February 2015 (UTC)
  • (Discuss) – Ganges → Ganga – I am an American who grew up only knowing the name "Ganges" for this river. I nevertheless consider this article to be in severe violation of the underlying principles of our article naming policy, and request it to be moved to Ganga. I quote from our policy on article titles:

    The title of an article on a topic that has strong ties to a particular English-speaking nation should use the variety of English appropriate for that nation (as in Australian Defence Force, United States Secretary of Defense).

Inexplicably, the very next sentence directly contradicts this:

Very rarely, a form that represents only minority local usage is chosen because of its greater intelligibility to English-speaking readers worldwide (e.g. Ganges rather than "Ganga").

This sentence only exists in the article title policy to attempt to justify the river's current title. I have participated in hundreds and hundreds of move requests, and have never once seen any reference or other example of the sentence. It is a transparent assertion that India's variety of English is irrelevant because Brits and other English speakers do not speak that way. It should never have been allowed and should now be overturned. I provide as a reference Google Ngrams. [9] You can play around with varying search terms if you like, but you're going to find basically what I found--combining all books written in any variety of English, "Ganges" is used somewhere between 1.5 times and 2.5 times as often as "Ganga" to refer to this river. So clearly, globally speaking, WP:COMMONNAME surely seems to favor "Ganges". Granted. But we don't use just WP:COMMONNAME; we take special consideration of the variety of English relevant to the article. Here's an example for Brits. Using the exact same set of books that I just used for "Ganges" versus "Ganga", "armor" beats "armour", "defense" crushes "defence", "truck" obliterates "lorry", "color" destroys "colour", and "curb", well, it kind of kicks "kerb" to the... err... curb?. Shall we move Orange (colour) to Orange (color), then? Of course not! Americans, we've let the Brits turn "roadway" into the vile "carriageway" (which in spite of common usage). Why not move it? Because respecting national varieties of English matters significantly more than a strict summary of common usage. Again, respecting national varieties of English matters significantly more than a strict summary of common usage. And don't be deceived: "Ganga" is the common name in India for the river. (Quick check: which country does the Ganga flow through? Oh, right. India. Not Canada, Australia, the U.S., the UK, New Zealand, Ireland, Jamaica, etc. Okay, just checking.) The Indian Express lists 246 results for "Ganges", and 2,544 results for "Ganga". The Hindustan Times also seems to prefer "Ganga". (Most other Indian newspapers I checked gave faulty results, misclassifying "Ganges" as the plural of "gang". See [10], where every result I see has to deal in one way or another with gangs, not the river!) This river is known in English as the Ganga to the people who live near it--who own it in every possible way that a people can own a river. I plead with you to let them name the river as they like, and to let us at the English Wikipedia follow that name as a way not only of respecting them, but following our own policies at WP:NATIONALTIES. Regardless, I thank you for your consideration. Red Slash 19:32, 19 February 2015 (UTC)

  • (Discuss) – Syriza → SYRIZA – The above move discussion led to a consensus to move the article to SYRIZA, however @BD2412: further moved the article to Syriza. Now without any doubt this is a common capitalization, but neither the only common one nor the one the majority of discutants IMHO opted for. So I'm proposing to move the article halfway back to SYRIZA.
    My main argument is that while both are common and easily recognizable per WP:COMMONNAME, the all-caps variant doesn't conceal that it used to be an acronym. While it is the common name of the party it is not a common English-language word. Mentioning Syriza in articles without giving enough context leads to a number of readers not knowing what kind of (possibly generic) thing that is. Mentioning SYRIZA in other articles at least makes it clear that this is an acronymic name, so if the reader doesn't recognize it, they will look it up.
    Supplementary arguments are that it is the official styling of the party's English name, and that it corresponds to the Greek acronym 'ΣΥΡΙΖΑ' (whereas 'Συριζα' isn't used at all in Greek). Now let's concentrate on this final aspect and find a consensus. Regards, PanchoS (talk) 14:00, 19 February 2015 (UTC)
  • (Discuss) – ISIL beheading incidents → ISIL show killings – It's clear that the beheadings, the burnings, and other deliberately barbaric video-recorded killings of defenceless victims are all part of a single phenomenon: killings designed to be seen and to shock. I've used the term "show killings" by analogy to "show trials" -- if anyone can come up with a better name, please do The Anome (talk) 11:03, 19 February 2015 (UTC)
  • (Discuss) – The Singing Nun → Jeanne Deckers – This was her birth name, her name in Belgian law. As a nun she was called Sister Luc-Gabrielle. She had the stage name of Sœur Sourire or Sister Smile and her recording of "Dominique" was credited to her as "The Singing Nun" in the United States. Later she took the stage name of Luc-Dominique. "The Singing Nun" was instead the name of a fictionalized character in a film based on her, or rather it was the name of the film itself. A later film based on her real life was called Sœur Sourire (Sister Smile). Esoglou (talk) 08:43, 19 February 2015 (UTC)

February 18, 2015[edit]

  • (Discuss) – HTTP Secure → HTTPS – Per WP:COMMONNAME and actual usage (including in the article itself: never referred to as HTTP Secure; also see Google Ngrams, which show HTTPS around 50 times higher than what it stands for or HTTP Secure), HTTPS would be a much better title for this – — Mini-Geek (talk) 20:53, 18 February 2015 (UTC)
  • (Discuss) – Mithraic mysteries → ? – # There is absolutely no treatment of the figure of this religion at Mithra, where it belongs; # Mithras unhelpfully redirects generically to this page on his religion, which doesn't have any thorough treatment of the figure himself; and # there's a stubby POVFORK at Mithras (name) that doesn't deal with the linguistics—it doesn't even mention that Classical Greek theta was not a /θ/ but /tʰ/ sound—but seems to dwell on the figure and his appearances, doing worse at both the linguistics and the treatment of the figure than this page does. I understand that modern scholarship now separates this religion from the religion in Persia, but Mithras the figure is simply the Greek and Roman form of the other god's name. There is already a treatment of the Manichaean figure of Mitra on the Persian god's page and there's no reason his Roman form should be handled differently, unless we really have so much material that a split becomes necessary. At that point, there should still be a section on the Persian god's page linking to a content fork at Mithras (not Mithras (name)). Mithras (name) I don't know what to do with. The useful bits should be merged back here or to Mithra's #Etymology section. The name in and of itself is completely non-notable as a topic; for better or worse, it's simply the Greek and Roman form of Mithra. The further etymology of the name in Hittite, Sanskrit, and reconstructed Proto-Indo-European has absolutely no relation to the Greco-Roman name Mithras, which was just picked it up from the Persians; it belongs on the Persian god's page and nowhere else.  — LlywelynII 15:23, 18 February 2015 (UTC)
  • (Discuss) – Boy soprano → Treble (voice) – I believe that this is the more common term for a "boy soprano"; certainly it is in the UK (in fact I had not come across the term "boy soprano" before without the explanation that a treble was a young male soprano). Google shows 54000 results for "treble voice" [11] but only 10000 for "boy soprano voice" [12] so I suggest that this is moved. --Relisted. Number 57 14:48, 18 February 2015 (UTC) JZCL 20:58, 7 February 2015 (UTC)
  • (Discuss) – Mandrake (plant) → Mandrake – Primary meaning's the plant. According to this, "Mandrake (plant)" has been viewed 16703 times in the last 30 days, while according to this, "Mandrake" has been viewed a mere 1378 times in the last 30 days. What of the other stuff on the dab page? The band has 195 views, the comic book character 4300, the play 1437, the album 669, Leon 276, TV series 763, Mandrake Press 154, Mandrake of Oxford 160 and Tom 396. That's a total of 8350 views for the non-plants: less than half as many hits as "Mandrake (plant)". --Relisted. Number 57 14:48, 18 February 2015 (UTC) Srnec (talk) 21:49, 7 February 2015 (UTC)
  • (Discuss) – Star Island (disambiguation) → Star Island – The New Hampshire island currently seems to be a primary topic, but I can't find the justification for it. Rational: 1) there are numerous other islands by the same name, so there shouldn't be a preference, 2) the Miami island for one has more links to it than the NH one, 3) at present some topics have already mistakingly been linked to the New Hampshire specimen, because it's occupying the primary topic. So in order to avoid this from happening, it would be best to move the dab page to its usual location so that readers can decide for themselves which island they're after. Midas02 (talk) 05:50, 18 February 2015 (UTC)
  • (Discuss) – Deso Dogg → Denis Cuspert – He has used multiple aliases. He has been "Deso Dogg" for music career. He hasn't made an album since 2009. He changed his name to Abou Maleeq and to Abu Talha Al-Almani for his radical Islamic ideologies and joining groups that are considered "terrorists". No matter whether sources used both names or more, he has been referred as "Cuspert" throughout many articles. --Relisted. George Ho (talk) 05:47, 18 February 2015 (UTC) George Ho (talk) 09:21, 11 February 2015 (UTC)
  • (Discuss) – Bob Evans (musician) → Kevin Mitchell (musician) – The article was originally (and correctly titled Kevin Mitchell (musician)) however was moved (without discussion) to Bob Evans (musician) in August 2011 on the basis of WP:COMMONNAME. I believe that this artist is commonly known by both names, with Bob Evans only being a stage name for his solo releases. In all dealings with the artist (i.e. interviews etc) he always addresses himself as Kevin not Bob, this is substantially different to articles such as David Bowie and Marc Bolan, for which the artists refer to themselves as David Bowie and March Bolan and not their respective birth names. Kevin Mitchell has also had a notable career prior to adopting the stage name of Bob Evans for his solo releases. As such the article should be titled Kevin Mitchell (musician). Dan arndt (talk) 05:35, 18 February 2015 (UTC)
  • (Discuss) – Provincial boards in the Philippines → Sangguniang Panlalawigan – As stated in the RM at Talk:Sangguniang Panlungsod#Notice, this was originally at "Sangguniang Panlalawigan", then moved to "Provincial councils in the Philippines", then finally to its current title at "Provincial boards in the Philippines". The RM in that page affected three pages and was closed as a no consensus and weren't moved. Currently, this is the only Philippine local legislature that's not in "Sangguniang <foo>" nomenclature, and in the interests of being in line in other articles, and having no consensus for a move to any new title, should be reverted back. –HTD 02:42, 18 February 2015 (UTC)
  • (Discuss) – Curley v. North American Man/Boy Love Ass'n → Curley v. NAMBLA – In this edit, Good Olfactory moved the article from "Curley v. NAMBLA" to "Curley v. North American Man/Boy Love Association." In this edit, Good Olfactory moved the article from "Curley v. North American Man/Boy Love Association" to "Curley v. North American Man/Boy Love Ass'n." I don't know what Good Olfactory was thinking with the moves, but the title should be moved back to the Curley v. NAMBLA title, per WP:Common name; it should be titled that or Curley v. North American Man/Boy Love Association. I tried to move the article back to Curley v. NAMBLA, but it requires a WP:Administrator to do so. Flyer22 (talk) 01:44, 18 February 2015 (UTC) Flyer22 (talk) 01:44, 18 February 2015 (UTC)

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  • (Discuss) – Template:Infobox disease → Template:Infobox medical condition – Template:Infobox medical condition already redirects here, and there is agreement that the purpose of this infobox is to cover medical conditions and not only diseases. Everyone agrees that this is the right template to use at pregnancy, even though pregnancy is not a disease, and is better called a "medical condition". Support this move to confirm the following: #"Disease" is not the ideal name for all the medical conditions covered by this infobox #"Medical condition" is a good new name if this is moved #The complicated renaming process should happen eventually in ~5,000 articles, but until then, renaming the template and redirecting to the new name works. Blue Rasberry (talk) 21:23, 17 February 2015 (UTC)
  • (Discuss) – IMac (Intel-based) → Intel-based iMac – "Intel-based iMac" sounds more natural and fluid than the choppier "iMac (Intel-based)" that is currently in place. Apple has occasionally used the term "Intel-based iMac" for technical support on their website, so it is not as if we are creating this title out of thin air. WikiRedactor (talk) 19:32, 17 February 2015 (UTC)
  • (Discuss) – Chevrolet Bolt → Chevrolet Bolt EV – When I created this article I used the name: Chevrolet Bolt, but doing Google search about the car I realized that GM's official name is 'Chevrolet Bolt EV' - as you can see from the pictures of the concept car here and here, the EV is on the car's badge at the rear right side (just like the Spark EV) and used in GM promotional material. So I renamed the page 'Chevrolet Bolt EV'. However, another user recently moved the page back without any discussion. As of today, the Chevy Bolt EV is just a concept car that is going to be produced, with no certainty that the production model with keep the same name. So following WP naming policies, the article should be renamed as proposed, or even Chevrolet Bolt EV concept. Mariordo (talk) 19:05, 17 February 2015 (UTC)
  • (Discuss) – Superfly Presents → Superfly – Superfly has recently made a company rebrand, as evidenced by their site relaunch and URL change from superflypresents.com to superf.ly. In correspondence with this rebrand, the company Wikipedia page should also be updated to reflect the current and preferred company name. Meshman23 (talk) 18:45, 17 February 2015 (UTC)
  • (Discuss) – Chairman → Chair (position) – (add: please also see nominator comment below.) This is a simple NPOV request. Within government committees and NGOs the typical designation used is chair. I business the name chairman is often used sometimes even when the person is a woman although "chairwoman" (which currently redirects to chairman) is also used. I appreciate that the words like "position" or "role" are not greatly specific in regard to disambiguation but I think that this is preferabe to what I regard to be this current gender preference within Wikipedia. The present tense of the verb involved relates to the chairing of meetings. GregKaye 09:20, 17 February 2015 (UTC)
  • (Discuss) – Hel (being) → Hel (daughter of Loki) – or Hel (Norse mythology). How many things in Wikipedia are there that can be described as non being? What kind of a disambiguation is this? However I generally find disambiguations such as (mythology) as violations of NPOV as the related topics typically constitute facets of sincerely held beliefs that parallel content of many current time "religions". GregKaye 09:06, 17 February 2015 (UTC)
  • (Discuss) – List of lists of lists → Lists of lists – While a number of alternate titles for this page have been proposed and discussed over the years, looking through the above discussions, the name "Lists of lists" has only been mentioned in passing once or twice, and never given serious consideration itself. The current name requires a nontrivial cognitive leap to understand the page's scope ("it is a list that contains lists of lists"), whereas the proposed name is simpler, more concise, and more obvious ("it contains lists of lists"; the first identification of "it is a list" is no longer necessary to properly understand the title). In addition, while I am not aware of any specific guideline recommending "Lists of" in favor of "List of lists of" for lists such as this, informal usage definitely seems to prefer the former: compare the pages starting with "Lists of" versus the pages starting with "List of lists of"; while the former includes a large number of non-redirect pages across four pages of results, the latter contains only this and one other non-redirect page and far less than even a single page of results, even including redirects. Even broadening the latter report to "List of lists" only includes a handful more redirects and no additional non-redirect pages. 「ディノ奴千？！」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 07:16, 17 February 2015 (UTC)
  • (Discuss) – Teuta of Illyria → Teuta – The most appropriate article name would be simply Teuta, as per common name. "Teuta of Illyria" is very scarcely used in sources. She was never the ruler of Illyria (and never titled as such). In reality, she ruled parts of Illyria, and was the queen of the Ardiaei. Gbooks hits (-llc -wiki): "Teuta of Illyria"-51, "Teuta, queen"-322, "Queen Teuta"-397. Zoupan 03:23, 13 February 2015 (UTC)
  • (Discuss) – A Pink → Apink – According to Article title policy: "Generally, article titles are based on what the subject is called in reliable sources. When this offers multiple possibilities, editors choose among them by considering several principles." Both version are commonly used in multiple English-language reliable sources. However proposed name "Apink" are more appropriate considering the 5 characteristics of a good Wikipedia article title on the article title policy: #Recognizability and Naturalness - The group is listed under this name on Billboard, Youtube, Naver, major retailers such as iTunes and Melon as well as their official website. Therefore, it will be the title that the reader will most likely look for. #Conciseness and Precision - "A Pink" is ambiguous in English language and can be misleading as "a" color "Pink" while "Apink" is unique and unambiguous. It can be seen on Google News search from Jan 1 - Feb 12. The search result for "A Pink" are not related to the group but to the color "Pink" while the result for "Apink" are related to the group #Consistency - The proposed title is consistent with WP:BANDNAME and MOS:TM guideline. Sonflower0210 (talk) 16:01, 12 February 2015 (UTC)
  • (Discuss) – I Don't Kiss → J'embrasse pas – The English sources use the current English title. However, many other English sources also use the original French title. One and another and another use French title as main title. WP:NCF encourages using commonly-used name, be it either native name or translated name. I hope the proposed title is more common. --Relisted. George Ho (talk) 09:25, 12 February 2015 (UTC) George Ho (talk) 07:13, 5 February 2015 (UTC)
  • (Discuss) – Hobbiton film set → Hobbiton Movie Set – This was the original location of the article. Rationale copied from a discussion at User talk:Spidey104 follows. "Re your move, I am not at all familiar with WP film protocols and I have attachment to movies vs films, but am I wrong in thinking that as the name of the visitor centre would appear to be "Hobbiton Movie Set", that this move should either be reversed, or amended to "Hobbiton movie set"? Ben MacDui 12:50, 11 February 2015 (UTC)
  • (Discuss) – Anthony Davis (basketball) → Anthony Davis – User:Rracecarr has been insisting that this is an uncontroversial move, and that this article should be the primary topic. With two failed move requests here, I'd say it's not uncontroversial. My request that they do this via RM was not taken well, so rather than see this continue to fester, I thought it worth discussing. Guettarda (talk) 05:30, 11 February 2015 (UTC)
  • (Discuss) – Watts Riots → Watts riots – Having given it some time, and listening to previous feedback that this one should be considered on its own rather than in a group of less-well-known riots, it seems time again to try to get this one aligned with the advice of MOS:CAPS. Since previous comments found no basis in sources for treating "Watts Riots" as a proper name, and with the overwhelming majority of uses in books being lowercase, WP style is to use lowercase. Dicklyon (talk) 23:06, 8 February 2015 (UTC)
  • (Discuss) – List of Israeli cities → List of cities in Israel – The move would bring the title into the same format as the other articles in Category:Lists of cities by country. The issue of contention here is what to do with reference to Israeli settlements. I think that the most logical thing to do is to list have a listing of Cities in Israel in relation to Cities in Israel and to list Israeli settlements in the article on Israeli Settlements. The West Bank is not considered to be a part of Israel. Israel only claims/designates East Jerusalem as being annexed as Israel - but even here such claim is internationally disputed. There is no claim that the settlements are an annexed part of Israel and the West Bank (along with Gaza} has recently been internationally accredited as constituting the State of Palestine. A Cities in Israel article could easily provide links to the Israeli settlements article to enable cross referencing of content. GregKaye 16:47, 6 February 2015 (UTC)
  • (Discuss) – Beitou → Beitou District – It appears to me that there is pretty much a consensus in practice that Taiwanese cities' districts should have the article title of "Foo District." (See Category:Districts in Taiwan.) In fact, all other districts in Taipei (see Category:Districts of Taipei) follow this. (The category currently contain some articles, such as Maokong, which do not follow this, but places like Maokong are actually not districts.) I believe that consistency here is a good practice. --Relisted.  — Amakuru (talk) 14:55, 6 February 2015 (UTC) Nlu (talk) 21:59, 29 January 2015 (UTC)
  • (Discuss) – Raymond Wong (film presenter) → Raymond Wong Bak-ming – Or Raymond Wong Pak-ming. Because he is not a primary topic, he is deservingly disambiguated. However, the parenthetical disambiguation looks awkward at best. There is nobody disambiguated as "film presenter". This guy has been an actor, a director, a producer, a screenwriter, and a presenter. Sources like Xiamen and The Star use "Bak"; other sources use "Pak", like SCMP and Hollywood Reporter. Per WP:NATURALDIS, parenthetical disambiguation would have been suitable solution if natural disambiguation is not possible. However, these sources make these proposed names possible. By the way, he can't be confused with the other guy, Raymond Wong (actor), also called Raymond Wong Ho-yin. --Relisted. George Ho (talk) 18:28, 4 February 2015 (UTC) George Ho (talk) 21:32, 24 January 2015 (UTC)
  • (Discuss) – Template:Refimprove → Template:Ref improve – I propose to move this template to {{Ref improve}}, replacing {{Refimprove}} with a redirect to the new title. This matter has been raised many times at WT:TW and was mentioned also at Wikipedia:Bot owners' noticeboard#Yobot. In my view, the "canonical" name of a template should be as clear as possible, and this can be done by spacing out the lexical components of the title. I note also that all the related templates with multi-word titles have spaces between the words. The motivation for this request is that Twinkle lists the more friendly name, "ref improve", but bots come along afterwards and change it to the canonical name, "refimprove". I think it is neater to be able to list "ref improve" in the list of article maintenance tags, so it would be great to be able to move the actual template to this title. Needless to say, all existing titles would be maintained as redirects. — This, that and the other (talk) 23:38, 3 February 2015 (UTC)
  • (Discuss) – The Left (Luxembourg) → Déi Lénk – "Déi Lénk" doesn't really translate to "The Left" but to "The Lefts" (meaning Leftists), which however sounds awkward. International media from Al Jazeera, BBC, Le Monde, Tageblatt, has however referred to the party as "Déi Lénk" or "Dei Lenk", and in its non-Luxembourgian-language press releases, the party also doesn't translate its name. We should therefore use the original name as title while giving a translation attempt in the first line of the article's intro. PanchoS (talk) 10:52, 3 February 2015 (UTC)
  • (Discuss) – Ghanaian Cedi → Ghana Cedi – Ghana Cedi was the former name of this article as it is the official name of the current currency of Ghana. There has never excisted such at thing as a Ghanaian Cedi, but there has been several with one of these words in Ghana. The Ghanaian pound, The Cedi and The New Cedi. Jack Bornholm (talk) 02:30, 28 January 2015 (UTC)
  • (Discuss) – Yeshua (disambiguation) → Yeshua – per WP:MALPLACED: Yeshua (the original dab page) appears to have been blanked in 2010 and moved or recreated here, while redirecting Yeshua to Yeshua (name), but a dab is more appropriate since books show no absolute majority topic for "Yeshua" - use relating to the post-Babylonian high priest and Jesus of Nazareth are about 50/50 in serious sources. Alternatively moving Yeshua (name) over baseline is an alternative solution per WP:MALPLACED, but moving the dab page to baseline is what is proposed. Third option, no move and redirect Yeshua to Jesus. In ictu oculi (talk) 01:17, 28 January 2015 (UTC)
  • (Discuss) – Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant → Islamic State of Iraq and Syria – or to ISIS (Islamist rebel group). ISIS is the most common English language reference to the group in reference to the Arabic title "ad-Dawlah al-Islāmīyah fī al-‘Irāq wash-Shām". This title is also rendered into English as "Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant", "Islamic State of Iraq and Syria", "Islamic State of Iraq and al-Sham" or "ISIL" and is also represented as "Da‘ish" or "DAESH", the acronym of the Arabic title but ISIS remains in common usage. *A major advantage of Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant is that it uses natural disambiguation and refers to a more accurate translation of "al-Sham". *A major advantage of Islamic State of Iraq and Syria is that it uses natural disambiguation and links smoothly with the commonly used acronym ISIS. *A major advantage of ISIS (Islamist rebel group) is that it uses the commonly used ISIS format. [This suggestion comes in the context of a recent RM to Islamic State (islamist rebel group)]. Context A wide range of scholars and groups reject the use of the title "Islamic State" on the basis of the religious and political implications of the title. Reference can be made to other groups with Mohammedan based faiths ranging from nations to other rebel groups in conflict with ISIS, and a wide range or representatives in the international community. The group describes itself as "Islamic State". Ban-Ki Moon stated, "As Muslim leaders around the world have said, groups like ISIL – or Da’ish -- have nothing to do with Islam, and they certainly do not represent a state. They should more fittingly be called the "Un-Islamic Non-State" and Muslim leaders sticking to religious angles have described it as the un-Islamic State. With these two extremes of presentations I think that NPOV demands that we don't become a soapbox for either side and that a relevant rendering of "ad-Dawlah al-Islāmīyah fī al-‘Irāq wash-Shām" be used. At one extreme I personally think that, in this context, questionable unqualified use of the title "Islamic State" has been made by news groups such as agency Reuters from early times. At the other extreme, notable Arabic news groups make sole use of terms such as ISIL, ISIS and Daesh. Another issue is that we already have an article on Islamic state. GregKaye 11:38, 26 January 2015 (UTC)
  • (Discuss) – Rizwan Ahmed (cricketer) → Rizwan Ahmed – Currently, Rizwan Ahmed redirects to the article for actor Riz Ahmed. While Rizwan is his full first name, there's no reason anyone would search him under his full name when he is credited as simply "Riz". In the off chance that they are, a hatnote on this article would suffice to direct them to the right place. Sock (tock talk) 15:12, 18 January 2015 (UTC)

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